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[UnbornTao]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@UnbornTao Are you really so disconnected from yourself that you do not recognize that everything you do in life is to seek love?

Do you not understand that nothing will ever satisfy you but Infinite Love?

Because that's what you ARE.

Consciousness will not rest until it finds Itself. Infinite Love.

Underneath all your logical arguments, and even your enlightenments, your soul knows what I'm saying is true. Why?

Because Love recognizes Love.

Really? 

God. 

[Joseph Maynor]

A lot of people seem not to recognize Love.  It's very rare in my experience.  

[UnbornTao]

 

 

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

It won't look this way for most of your acolytes, though.

Stop casting others here as some mindless cult zombies. You disagree with me. That is all. That is fine. But that doesn't give you the right to discredit others here who have done serious work and have Awoken to Love. Contrary to what you believe, many people have realized that God is Love, and not because I brainwashed them into believing it.

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It's also clear that you want to avoid being challenged.

I have never avoided any of your questions or arguments. I have answered them all.

But I am not going to keep endlessly arguing about this because it is clear your mind is made up.

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[r0ckyreed]

While y’all are arguing about Ralston, I’m sitting on my couch contemplating reality, self, and mind.

Ralston seems like a good guy, but Ralston cannot awaken you. Idolatry is a distraction. Every person on the planet carries truth and falsehood in their worldview. Everyone. Including myself. I’ve been wrong about many things I thought I was right about. Nobody is above me nor you.

Is Love just an animal emotion? No. You aren’t getting it because for an animal to have any emotion whatsoever requires Love to make that happen. Love is Connection, Unity, Oneness that contains within itself division and separation. But you couldn’t have division/separation without Unity in the first place.

Love isn’t the same thing as happy bliss. Love also includes evil. Love is a tick on your nuts.

[Davino]

18 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I get the ick from Brendan Lea. I have listened to a lot of his stuff on Youtube.

He sounds a lot like a brainwashed crony trying to replicate Peter. Mannerisms, intonation. Speaking pace. Phrasing. 

He legit sounds like a mini-Ralston with no original mind. And he may not, since I do not think Ralston would tolerate someone so close to him that was pushing back or challenging him. I do not know why I cannot tolerate Brendan. He has some good stuff to say. It is an issue with me that I cannot receive it from him. 

The fact that Brendan Lea is one of the top Peter Ralston student lowers the perception I have of Ralston.

There are two main dimensions to understand a spiritual teachers. First is the degree of their own Awakenings and second is the quality of their best students. For example, you may have super high realisation like Adidam, but lack the methodologies/teaching skills to transmit that realisation to your students, something similar happens with Ralston. On the other hand, you may be a meditator teachers who is super good with transmitting a certain technique and you replicate your awakenings to a measurable degree in your students.

The best spiritual teachers are the ones which are both insanely Awake and incredibly effective in making those levels of Awakening accesible to their students.

For example: let's take the top 10 Peter Ralston students, top 10 Mooji Baba students, top 10 Shinzen Young students, top 10 Ken Wilber students, top 10 Sri Ramana Maharshi students, top 10 Leo Gura students, top 10 Lahiri Mahasaya students... 

[UnbornTao]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Stop casting others here as some mindless cult zombies. You disagree with me. That is all. That is fine. But that doesn't give you the right to discredit others here who have done serious work and have Awoken to Love. Contrary to what you believe, many people have realized that God is Love, and not because I brainwashed them into believing it.

Sure thing.

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I have never avoided any of your questions or arguments. I have answered them all.

But I am not going to keep endlessly arguing about this because it is clear your mind is made up.

You've picked some of the more trivial points, but obviously yours is made up too.

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

The fact that Brendan Lea is one of the top Peter Ralston student lowers the perception I have of Ralston.

There are two main dimensions to understand a spiritual teachers. First is the degree of their own Awakenings and second is the quality of their best students. For example, you may have super high realisation like Adidam, but lack the methodologies/teaching skills to transmit that realisation to your students, something similar happens with Ralston. On the other hand, you may be a meditator teachers who is super good with transmitting a certain technique and you replicate your awakenings to a measurable degree in your students.

The best spiritual teachers are the ones which are both insanely Awake and incredibly effective in making those levels of Awakening accesible to their students.

For example: let's take the top 10 Peter Ralston students, top 10 Mooji Baba students, top 10 Shinzen Young students, top 10 Ken Wilber students, top 10 Sri Ramana Maharshi students, top 10 Leo Gura students, top 10 Lahiri Mahasaya students... 

It was to be expected that something like this would be said at some point. It is clear when someone is talking from a certain belief system. Seriously, it is appalling.

Episodes on true listening and belief would be great.

[Sincerity]

27 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Episodes on true listening and belief would be great.

Are you listening to what’s being said?

How do you determine who you listen to?

Edited 1 hour ago by Sincerity

[Natasha Tori Maru]

42 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

It was to be expected that something like this would be said at some point. It is clear when someone is talking from a certain belief system. Seriously, it is appalling.

Episodes on true listening and belief would be great.

It might do to investigate why you are so offended/appalled/disturbed/emotional regarding this topic.

I think there is a good inquiry opportunity. And growth opportunity. 

Maybe issues with control. Or inner ideals not matching to reality.

I am not remarking on this comment in particular - but the pattern of responses in this thread.

[UnbornTao]

2 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

Are you listening to what’s being said?

How do you determine who you listen to?

The who is pretty much irrelevant, at least on paper. What can I say? Pay attention. What's actually going on? What's being accomplished? Is it just an idea you like and therefore adopt?

In practice, a good idea is to listen to someone like Adi Da first. Or Ramana. These are masters. But it's tricky, because what can really be said to be the foundation of that assessment? Again, I'm stopped short. Pay attention.

Consider that people in a cult often don't realize they're in one. Why is that? What are they ignorant of? What aren't they paying attention to? Beyond their impressions, reactions, and how they feel about the whole endeavor, what are they actually up to?

What people essentially do is get caught up in their impressions of things and remain stuck in that superficial layer.

I'm not saying all cults are bad, to be clear. That said, it's easy to conflate open-mindedness with gullibility, or to be 'open' merely in the abstract, as a self-indulgent exercise.

For example, it doesn't matter how many times it's said that the drugs don't really do it - this point just won't land. In that resource I shared, I bet you went through the motions, watching the Adi Da video and hearing the words, but did you really make an attempt to hear it?

[Yimpa]

20 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

Sorry, beautiful lady ❤️

It’s all Good 

[UnbornTao]

4 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

It might do to investigate why you are so offended/appalled/disturbed/emotional regarding this topic.

I think there is a good inquiry opportunity. And growth opportunity. 

Maybe issues with control. Or inner ideals not matching to reality.

I am not remarking on this comment in particular - but the pattern of responses in this thread.

Thanks, I appreciate that. I don't bother pretending I'm not hurt, though, or disappointed, perhaps.

Beyond the reactivity, there are deeper points being conveyed. And notice - we probably could have said something similar about Leo. It's okay too. But again, this is beside the point, in my view.

[Sincerity]

@UnbornTao So, from what I gather, you admit that who you consider „a master worth listening to” has really no objective foundation. And yet, you make choices to listen to someone and denounce others. How?

I say denounce others, because I feel you’re showing a very non-listening attitude in this thread. Which, you must agree, is rather ironic.

When you mention „people in a cult”, I’m assuming you’re making a reference to this place. How are you coming to this assessment? Is this true?

Practice what you preach, you know.

Edited 36 minutes ago by Sincerity