Posted January 28 (edited) People have literally been saying God is love for like a bajillion years. I'm not saying just take them at face value but you'd have to be pretty dense to just dismiss it out of pocket. Most of Leo's original ideas are about the relative domain. His spiritual ideas are pretty generic (in the best possible way). Edited January 28 by Oppositionless Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 28 (edited) What is love anyway? The Greeks had 8 kinds of love. The only pointer is your own direct experience. Words are myopic bits of biased humans. Edited January 28 by CARDOZZO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 28 13 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said: What is love anyway? This is bricking users brains if you ask me. There has been no enquiry into what is. The isness of love. At the heart of the confusion. huehuehue a pun, the self disgust is great It is far easier to fool someone, than to convince them they have been fooled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 28 36 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said: As much as I love the topics discussed here, I care more about ones wellbeing than anything else Sure, but that's not my priority with these posts. Setting all that side, what's true? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 28 16 minutes ago, UnbornTao said: Sure, but that's not my priority with these posts. Setting all that side, what's true? That you are emotionally disturbed and need to cool it. It is far easier to fool someone, than to convince them they have been fooled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 28 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said: That you are emotionally disturbed and need to cool it. "Disturbed" is a strong word. You might even say passionate. In any case, don't you think Leo may at some point have gone "you jerk, shut up already" behind the keyboard? Or you? Come on. Haha. Or something along those lines, directed at whoever, at any point in time. "Images" and ideals of what it means to be "high-conscious" are just that - images. And this is an online forum. I mentioned pretension in the context of being willing to show one's experience as it is, rather than covering or suppressing it under a spiritual façade in order to appear a certain way. Impressions are a big topic, it seems, but that's for another time. Anyhow, people's reactivity is their own problem. Now - what's true? Edited January 28 by UnbornTao Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 28 Just now, UnbornTao said: "Disturbed" is a strong word. You might even say passionate. In any case, don't you think Leo may at some point have gone "you jerk, shut up already" behind the keyboard? Or you? Come on. Haha. Or something along those lines. "Images" and ideals of what it means to be "high-conscious" are just that - images. And this is an online forum. I mentioned pretension in the context of being willing to show one's experience as it is, rather than covering or suppressing it under a spiritual façade in order to appear a certain way. Impressions are a big topic, it seems, but that's for another time. Anyhow, people's reactivity is their own problem. Now - what's true? Nice try. It is far easier to fool someone, than to convince them they have been fooled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 29 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said: Nice try. Haha, yeah. People's problems are their own. What's true? That's the goal here, at least to me. Not whether we like something or not. Edited January 29 by UnbornTao Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 29 1 hour ago, CARDOZZO said: What is love anyway? 🤩 Who doesn't love love? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 29 10 minutes ago, UnbornTao said: What's true? What is love? 10 minutes ago, UnbornTao said: That's the goal here, at least to me. Not whether we like something or not. It is interesting how you reject compassion. It is far easier to fool someone, than to convince them they have been fooled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 29 Absolute Love involves Feeling, and recognition of Unitive Relation IMO. Like Truth it's hard to point to in words. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 29 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said: What is love? Something to get for oneself. It is also the case that people delude themselves by choosing that as a question to "contemplate" in the first place, in that their goal is feeling good and improving their experience, and not uncovering whatever turns out to be really true. Very rarely, if ever, are people concerned with asking what pain or manipulation are. I wonder why. It is asked with the preconception that it is absolute in mind, is it not? It is not really a genuine question based on wonder, but an attempt to validate a fantasy. The power of the mind is such that any preconception can be made to be perceived as "reality." But hey, people benefit from believing in God - in emotional, psychological, and social ways. Maybe that's the case here too. But that ain't the same as going after what's true. Quote It is interesting how you reject compassion. I suggest the principle of compassion is not the images one has of it. How it manifests is secondary to the principle itself. Edited January 29 by UnbornTao Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 29 16 minutes ago, UnbornTao said: Something to get for oneself. Needs inquiry. It is far easier to fool someone, than to convince them they have been fooled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 29 15 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said: Needs inquiry. Oh, yeah. Not fantasizing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 29 11 minutes ago, UnbornTao said: Oh, yeah. Not fantasizing. Is there a hard distinction between inquiry and fantasy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 29 Just now, Joseph Maynor said: Is there a hard distinction between inquiry and fantasy? You probably already make it to some degree. Inquiry is an open investigation aimed at uncovering whatever is true, independent of one's preferences, desires, biases, and so on. Fantasizing, by contrast, can be understood as coming up with imaginary scenarios in one's mind - usually based on wants, biases, and subjectivity - often aimed at outcomes like feeling better, more powerful, or reassured. Whatever serves one's agenda. A scientific experiment versus belief in God might serve as a succinct way of contrasting these two activities. Not the best examples, but hopefully the point comes across. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 29 28 minutes ago, UnbornTao said: Oh, yeah. Not fantasizing. Why not inquire further? It is far easier to fool someone, than to convince them they have been fooled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 29 10 minutes ago, UnbornTao said: You probably already make it to some degree. Inquiry is an open investigation aimed at uncovering whatever is true, independent of one's preferences, desires, biases, and so on. Fantasizing, by contrast, can be understood as coming up with imaginary scenarios in one's mind - usually based on wants, biases, and subjectivity - often aimed at outcomes like feeling better, more powerful, or reassured. Whatever serves one's agenda. A scientific experiment versus belief in God might serve as a succinct way of contrasting these two activities. Not the best examples, but hopefully the point comes across. This sounds like the Promise of Science almost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 29 1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said: This sounds like the Promise of Science almost. Nice. The book's quite pricey, though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 29 8 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said: Why not inquire further? It is far easier to fool someone, than to convince them they have been fooled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
