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[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Carl-Richard Starseed films - sides are in orbit.

He looks like a foot speaking to me...

[AtmanIsBrahman]

@UnbornTao I’m curious why you think Ralston is so much more deeply awakened than Leo or other teachers. I’ve found that he has great insights on ending suffering and being effective, but his teachings on the ultimate nature of reality are few and far between and not that radical.

I understand he wants to avoid students believing in concepts, but without having heard him make any radical metaphysical claims it’s hard to know whether he has a basic level of awakening like a no-self realization or something truly profound that others don’t have. It requires a lot of faith (a form of belief) to think that someone who has never explained his deepest awakenings indeed is so deeply awakened. And maybe he is, but I wouldn’t assume it.

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

But the truth is, and it is not a perspective, otherwise what's the fucking point? 

I don't mind, I can put distance between teachers. But you think he's just sharing opinions or something. 

You are being too simplistic and glib.

Infinity is Love.

If you don't understand that, what have you understood?

Edited 18 hours ago by Leo Gura

[How to be wise]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Sure. If he responds.

Sure. I should contact him.

He never responded to me.

It's always a matter of whether people respond.

I will try to contact a bunch of people this year and we'll see who responds.

You need to be doing more videos so they see you at their level. 

[Davino]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It's an interesting problem. How do you have a conversation with people who are very advanced in their consciousness? It becomes hard to have conversations with them. Myself included.

It's a matter of alignment and getting in tune, like two transatlantics coordinating . It's also where there's more potential for growth, new insights and Awakenings. It's important to talk with other advanced consciousness to not get isolated in your ways of doing spirituality, show blind spots and enrich each other.

Btw, check your DM's.

[Terell Kirby]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Be careful idolizing him.

How about an episode on ‘How to Not Idolize Peter Ralston’  ?

But in all seriousness, you have a point-any teacher or teaching we idolize creates a distinction in reality between us and him-

In Truth however, our Minds are all constructing Peter Ralston and his teachings.
 
They are high consciousness-but still partial and limited in that they are coming from a human:

 

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

any teacher or teaching we idolize creates a distinction in reality between us and him-

My point is more ordinary: if you idolize him you will not critically question his teachings and get stuck in any limits he has.

You have to really question and scrutinize what he says. You can't assume it is true.

Edited 12 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, How to be wise said:

You need to be doing more videos so they see you at their level. 

Such people do not watch my videos. They are busy running their careers.

It's not about content, it's about business.

Edited 12 hours ago by Leo Gura

[CARDOZZO]

10 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@CARDOZZO My GOD I have this movie playing right now. The fuck!  It is a rewatch.

100% on different kinds of love - and this is sort of what I am pointing to. There is a lot to 'love' or 'Love' if you will  

Wow, crazy shit 😋

[UnbornTao]

15 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

What IS talked about. Not what is left out. 

By paying attention, what exactly do you mean? 

Where am I coming from? From experience? 

Haha, okay. You keep believing that. 

[UnbornTao]

15 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

 

@UnbornTao I think you often put to much stock in Ralston. I might say this because I rarely see you deviating into any critical analysis of his work, just mutual agreement or pointing. Which is all well and good. But sometimes it looks like proselytizing.

Make sure listening has happened first. 

[UnbornTao]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You are being too simplistic and glib.

Infinity is Love.

If you don't understand that, what have you understood?

Don't get me started. 

[Joseph Maynor]

5 hours ago, Terell Kirby said:

How about an episode on ‘How to Not Idolize Peter Ralston.

What is so special about Peter Ralston?

[UnbornTao]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

My point is more ordinary: if you idolize him you will not critically question his teachings and get stuck in any limits he has.

You have to really question and scrutinize what he says. You can't assume it is true.

I'd say the first thing to do is to make sure you're actually listening to what's being communicated. This is pretty much what the work is about. 

You really need an episode on listening. People here could benefit a lot from it - including yourself. It's a profound principle. I've come to realize that most people, myself included, can't listen for shit in this context. Like, seriously. We hear words like belief and related terms, but it stays intellectual and doesn't really touch you or make any difference. 

And this point completely goes over people's heads because of its apparent simplicity.

[UnbornTao]

@AtmanIsBrahman Not sure what to say other than: pay attention. The main difference is that his work is real. Contrast that with the cultish thinking going around here about this and that.

Edited 7 hours ago by UnbornTao

[UnbornTao]

7 hours ago, Davino said:

It's a matter of alignment and getting in tune, like two transatlantics coordinating . It's also where there's more potential for growth, new insights and Awakenings. It's important to talk with other advanced consciousness to not get isolated in your ways of doing spirituality, show blind spots and enrich each other.

Btw, check your DM's.

Funny!

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

Haha, okay. You keep believing that. 

There's no need for that. 

I apologise if I have offended you.

I feel this is quite dismissive, condescending, passive aggressive & broadcasts superiority. Like engaging is beneath you 'I don't take you seriously, so I won't engage you further'. I have seen you use this tactic before.

Really mean spirited. 

Why would you say this?!?

Edited 6 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@UnbornTao regardless of your answer, I certainly won't engage now. Thank you 

Edited 6 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[UnbornTao]

3 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

There's no need for that. 

I apologise if I have offended you.

I feel this is quite dismissive, condescending, passive aggressive & broadcasts superiority. Like engaging is beneath you 'I don't take you seriously, so I won't engage you further'. I have seen you use this tactic before.

Really mean spirited. 

Why would you say this?!?

Because it's clear that is a belief picked up from Leo. I get irritated with all this, not sure what to call it. I guess the cultish thinking once again, or perhaps a failure to communicate on both ends. It feels like it degrades the work, turning it into a matter of picking X over Y or something like that. It also helps me save time, but I apologize for the bluntness.

In any case, just ask him.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@UnbornTao because you think I have a belief, you deem it acceptable to speak to me in that way? 

This is some mental gymnastics to avoid the fact you are, for some reason, emotionally upset by this discussion.

You are the one making the claim you know 'what others are listening to, or hearing', while simultaneously implying you understand what Ralston is saying. Despite you professing 'I don't listen either'. The statements imply otherwise. And I suspect you state this to try to level yourself with others. 

Do you not think, that even thinking you understand what another user understands, is arrogant? Without even asking enquiry questions to prove the reality of the situation. This is actually about what YOU believe regarding cults, I suspect. 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru