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How a Solipsist walks down the street and perceives reality

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34 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

So, you, who are God, have limitations like not being able to fly? Because that's perfect. And how do you know this? I suppose not from hearing it in Leo's videos, but somehow. I honestly don't understand why, being God, I can't pass through walls that I myself am creating. And really I'm not aware of the fact that I'm creating those walls. If you could explain it to me, I would appreciate it.

I’d say this: You don’t have limitations as God. But You do imagine walls right now. And since You do, you can’t walk through them.

Why do You imagine walls? Why is reality the specific way it is right now? I don’t know. But the fact is that it is that way right now, and it’s Imagination. And what’s Imagined is the case.

You’re not aware that you’re creating walls because you’re not in a high enough state. If you were, you’d be able to see that.

I have a recollection of these insights from my awakenings. You can reach that state where you see that you’re creating walls. You’ll see it as just you doing that.

But you’ll probably still not understand why. I think the why isn’t answerable in a definite way. There’s definitely not any one limited reason. You Imagine because you „do”, it’s what You are. And that’s it.


Words can't describe You.

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11 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

You’re not aware that you’re creating walls because you’re not in a high enough state. If you were, you’d be able to see that.

Then in a higher state you could walk through those wall, fly, etc. 

 

12 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

have a recollection of these insights from my awakenings. You can reach that state where you see that you’re creating walls. You’ll see it as just you doing that.

Sure, but you can't modify them. Maybe it's just an hallucination and you are not creating them . 

 

12 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

You Imagine because you „do”, it’s what You are. And that’s it.

I don't think so, it doesn't work in that way. Reality has no single creative center, but rather infinite overlapping perspectives that limit one another, creating form. There is no single creative agent; just expansion, possibilities being possible because there are no limits.

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5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then in a higher state you could walk through those wall, fly, etc. 

No, you’re just aware that you’re creating them. Imagination is still the case, and the walls are still not passable.

Even if you’re in a high enough state, you can’t change Will. You just see that Will is.

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33 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Breakingthewall, in your normal state, you cannot fly. But once you lose your human state, nothing would be stopping you.

No one here is talking while being in that God state, because it's impossible to be in that state and be in the human state at the same time.

How do you know that reality is you on god state creating a kind of deception where you are a human with limitations that you are creating right know but hiding yourself that fact ? 

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@Breakingthewall, that state makes you able to become conscious of that.

However, in your normal state, if you observe your sense phenomena, you will eventually understand that identifying with a limited number of things is false, even if it is practical for you. So, in your normal state, you can understand that logically you must be everything.

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3 hours ago, Sincerity said:

No, you’re just aware that you’re creating them. Imagination is still the case, and the walls are still not passable.

Even if you’re in a high enough state, you can’t change Will. You just see that Will is.

Can you describe exactly how you are aware that you’re creating them? What do you exactly mean by being aware that you create them? Like you see the process of imagination,  how you imagine them in complex way out of a black empty field, first abstract and then slowly unfolding into a solid wall with all its details (atoms, etc) ? Or can you just feel like you can morph the wall with your mind at will and can bending and stretching the wall with your mind etc and then conclude that you must create the wall? Or is it just a remembering, like Oh I was that who creates intentionally the wall right now.

 

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45 minutes ago, OBEler said:

Like you see the process of imagination,  how you imagine them in complex way out of a black empty field, first abstract and then slowly unfolding into a solid wall with all its details (atoms, etc) ?

Or can you just feel like you can morph the wall with your mind at will and can bending and stretching the wall with your mind etc and then conclude that you must create the wall?

Noo, nothing like that. The first implies a process (which there's none), and the second implies control over Will (which there's also none).

46 minutes ago, OBEler said:

Or is it just a remembering, like Oh I was that who creates intentionally the wall right now.

Moreso this. I (as God) am creating this right now. In fact, I am this. There is no difference between me and it. Oh what joy! :)

You = God = Imagination = Reality. A complete blending of the infinite nothingness/awareness/formlessness and form.


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It's simple. Reality is all happening in your head. There is no such thing as external. Everything is happening in your head, so to speak. That's it!


"Not believing your own thoughts, you’re free from the primal desire: the thought that reality should be different than it is. You realise the wordless, the unthinkable. You understand that any mystery is only what you yourself have created. In fact, there’s no mystery. Everything is as clear as day. It’s simple, because there really isn’t anything. There’s only the story appearing now. And not even that.” — Byron Katie

 

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There's a difference between being a solipsist as an idea in your mind, a self image and actually conscious of solipsism.

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1 hour ago, How to be wise said:

It's simple. Reality is all happening in your head. There is no such thing as external. Everything is happening in your head, so to speak. That's it!

There is no such thing as the experience of reality -Nisargadatta


When the secret is revealed to you, you will know that you are not other than God, but that you yourself are the object of your quest.

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10 hours ago, Sincerity said:

No, you’re just aware that you’re creating them. Imagination is still the case, and the walls are still not passable.

Even if you’re in a high enough state, you can’t change Will. You just see that Will is.

Maybe It's just a subjective perception induced by a drug. Leo thought that if he raised his consciousness higher enough he could change reality, and he realized that it's impossible; he can't move a flame with his mind even a millimeter.

The matter is simple: a psychedelic, if you're not prepared, won't dissolve your self, it will threaten to do so, and your self will respond to that threat by adapting to a new, inflated, but undissolved dimension. 

In a state of total dissolution, you cannot know that you are creating reality because there is no you versus reality. You cannot know that you are imagining others because there are neither others nor you; there is an absence of limits, period.

This does not mean that others are imaginary; it means that as substance there is no self, no boundaries, no becoming, but as form there is self, becoming, and boundaries.

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12 hours ago, Davino said:

@UnbornTao Remember that Ramana was a solipsist 

Who started this rumor? 😂

Here is an open invitation to anybody willing to take it: I can talk you out of solipsism, through a guided inquiry into your direct experience (no conceptual jargon, no philosophical understanding required). We can do it right here, right now. Just let me know.

All you need to do is give me one single sentence that describes your idea of solipsism and we will take it from there.

Edited by Carl-Richard

Intrinsic joy = being x meaning ²

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12 hours ago, Nemra said:

even if it is practical for you. So, in your normal state, you can understand that logically you must be everything.

Ultimately, you can understand that everything that exists is existence. But understanding what existence is from logic is more twisted since logic will lead you to believe that existence must be created, because your understanding operates through cause-and-effect relationships.

But existence is not caused, neither as substance nor as manifestation. What we might call substance is being, which means nothing more than the fact that reality is. Being does not imply consciousness; it implies existence.

The only cause of this is the absence of limits, and this is not something; it is an absence. The only cause of form is possibility, and what is possible is so by virtue of being coherent with the whole, so being not incoherent.

Then the being is due limitlessness, the form is due limits. You have to see them in their context, not merge both ideas since if you do, you would believe that you are God, that's a mistake that leads to absolute contraction when what you are looking for is absolute expansion, aka enlightenment 

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@Carl-Richard Go to 14:00

 


"Not believing your own thoughts, you’re free from the primal desire: the thought that reality should be different than it is. You realise the wordless, the unthinkable. You understand that any mystery is only what you yourself have created. In fact, there’s no mystery. Everything is as clear as day. It’s simple, because there really isn’t anything. There’s only the story appearing now. And not even that.” — Byron Katie

 

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@How to be wise Watched until 46:00. (By the way, this is not me doing the guided inquiry into direct experience as I said above, as you did not give your own sentence, and I also have to counter Leo's points in full, which is at the level of concepts).

What Leo does is he makes the case for groundlessness of experience, i.e. it is not sourced from anything but itself, hence there is nothing "outside" of it. But where the limitations of this experience is, is not grounded in anything either. The groundlessness is symmetrical with its infiniteness, which ironically goes beyond its limited appearance as sounds, colors, sensations, feelings, etc., the very things Leo erroneously puts as "base reality".

Also, postulating an infinite mind where everything arises within it, outside the limitations of sensations, feelings, etc., is identical to this notion. Because you cannot find a limit on it, only through carving out, which we do here through the act of language and thinking, but which we also do instinctively through the act of perception.

Once you deconstruct the very act of perception, the limitations cease to be and you get pure undifferentiated awareness. That is what I want you to do in your direct experience by the way. And I will help you along the way.

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Intrinsic joy = being x meaning ²

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