How a Solipsist walks down the street and perceives reality

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Nemra said:

That's the problem. You cannot even prove others' experiences because you cannot get outside your experience, which is not to say your experience doesn't change.

Please understand that I'm not entertaining a possibility here. I just realized that I cannot prove it to myself because it's impossible.

I'm not even saying that you should disregard what others supposedly experience, because it can help you understand your experience.

I can absolutely prove that other experiences exist besides my own; it's very simple. My experience is limited, but reality cannot be limited, therefore there are other experiences, infinite ones.

It's very simple: your experience is concrete, defined. It is absolutely certain that in eternity and infinity there will be other, completely different experiences. Then, your experience is not the only

[Nemra]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I can absolutely prove that other experiences exist besides my own; it's very simple. My experience is limited, but reality cannot be limited, therefore there are other experiences, infinite ones.

Reality is based on experience, and you only have yours. Whatever reality you point to, may or may not be experienced in the future, however, it's not on the same level of realness as your reality until you experience it.

Your experience can change, but it's all you have access to. It doesn't mean that learning from others' "experience" isn't worth it.

[Breakingthewall]

26 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Reality is based on experience

Then it's your experience that you are god dreaming the reality?

[Nemra]

52 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then it's your experience that you are god dreaming the reality?

I only became conscious of that on a psychedelic trip a while ago. It's not something that I can experience while being a human. Literally, at that state, being a human is a hallucination, which is not an easy thing to say.

It doesn't even feel quite right to say I "experienced" it, because at that level, experience isn't a given.

However, you may be able to reinterpret your normal experience after the trip.

Edited 6 hours ago by Nemra

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

I only became conscious of that on a psychedelic trip a while ago. It's not something that I can experience while being a human. Literally, at that state, being a human is a hallucination, which is not an easy thing to say.

It doesn't even feel quite right to say I "experienced" it, because at that level, experience isn't a given.

However, you may be able to reinterpret your normal experience after the trip.

You're talking about a subjective assessment while high. I say assessment, not experience, because experience would be, for example, an experience of openness, expansion, fluidity, contraction, horror, glory, terror, etc. But knowing that you are God dreaming reality, which emanates from you and has no reality of its own outside of you, is an assessment.

Psychedelic makes your mind have hallucinations, then it's better don't believe in them as they were more real than sober state. Are good to dissolve energetic barriers, but not to make a map about how reality is

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[theleelajoker]

18 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You're talking about a subjective assessment while high. I say assessment, not experience, because experience would be, for example, an experience of openness, expansion, fluidity, contraction, horror, glory, terror, etc. But knowing that you are God dreaming reality, which emanates from you and has no reality of its own outside of you, is an assessment.

Psychedelic makes your mind have hallucinations, then it's better don't believe in them as they were more real than sober state. Are good to dissolve energetic barriers, but not to make a map about how reality is

 

+1

[Nemra]

21 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You're talking about a subjective assessment while high. I say assessment, not experience, because experience would be, for example, an experience of openness, expansion, fluidity, contraction, horror, glory, terror, etc. But knowing that you are God dreaming reality, which emanates from you and has no reality of its own outside of you, is an assessment.

Being in lower or higher states isn't an assessment.

21 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Psychedelic makes your mind have hallucinations, then it's better don't believe in them as they were more real than sober state. Are good to dissolve energetic barriers, but not to make a map about how reality is

It's the reverse, actually. Your human life is a stable hallucination.

You helplessly believe in your human life to the core because your sanity depends on it.

Edited 5 hours ago by Nemra

[Sugarcoat]

4 hours ago, Nemra said:

However, once you see the illogical nature of how you have been identifying, you will see that there's no reason not to identify with things that you have completely disregarded.

I don’t think logic is best approach in this because simply logically speaking it does make sense to identify as the body . 
 

 

4 hours ago, Nemra said:

 

I'm not referring to your cognitive abilities. I mean whatever is in your field of "view".

Different directions.

Whatever calms the mind can help I think 
 

 

[Nemra]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

I don’t think logic is best approach in this because simply logically speaking it does make sense to identify as the body . 

It's not logical to say when I pinch the body, it hurts; therefore, I'm only the body.

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Nemra said:

It's not logical to say when I pinch the body, it hurts; therefore, I'm only the body.

I mean logically separation doesn’t make sense either. I thought about this when I was younger too. If you draw a line to separate two sides of paper, even if you zoom in forever theoretically you’ll not find the exact limit where one side begins and the other ends. 
 

 

[Nemra]

10 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I mean logically separation doesn’t make sense either. I thought about this when I was younger too. If you draw a line to separate two sides of paper, even if you zoom in forever theoretically you’ll not find the exact limit where one side begins and the other ends.

Yeah.

But you don't have to zoom in to understand that. The fact that the existence of any object isn't more or less real in your field of "view" should tell you that it's illogical to identify only with the body.

[Sugarcoat]

8 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Yeah.

But you don't have to zoom in to understand that. The fact that the existence of any object isn't more or less real in your field of "view" should tell you that it's illogical to identify only with the body.

Logic is one thing. But do you have a way you have been able to expand your identity like that?

[Nemra]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

Logic is one thing. But do you have a way you have been able to expand your identity like that?

Well, it's very easy to forget that. But it's the same as identifying with your body, however, it doesn't give you permission to control people.

But I don't claim that you could or even must identify with everything if you suffer from something.

[Nemra]

@Sugarcoat, but for me, seeing through the illusion of it is way more helpful because I would know why I'm doing it.

Then, I just try to remind myself that something is me if I notice that I regard it as not me.

[Sugarcoat]

24 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Well, it's very easy to forget that. But it's the same as identifying with your body, however, it doesn't give you permission to control people.

But I don't claim that you could or even must identify with everything if you suffer from something.

Yea now i remember I’ve written “crazy” things on this forum making me seem mentally ill,  that could make it seem inappropriate for me to talk about non duality…

Nonetheless. Maybe going a bit “outward” with your focus could help some loosen some of this limited identification, trying to identify with everything or whatever. But I do have a bit of bias thinking going inward and trying to deconstruct is more effective…

[Sugarcoat]

14 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Sugarcoat, but for me, seeing through the illusion of it is way more helpful because I would know why I'm doing it.

Then, I just try to remind myself that something is me if I notice that I regard it as not me.

It’s one way ig 

[Joseph Maynor]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I can absolutely prove that other experiences exist besides my own; it's very simple. My experience is limited, but reality cannot be limited, therefore there are other experiences, infinite ones.

It's very simple: your experience is concrete, defined. It is absolutely certain that in eternity and infinity there will be other, completely different experiences. Then, your experience is not the only

Does this prove other experiences?

[Breakingthewall]

13 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Does this prove other experiences?

Yes. It's mathematically impossible that there are not others experiences if we admit that reality has not absolute limits. 

The other possibility would be that the only experience in the totality of reality is that of a person who is currently writing on a phone and who lives in Spain, etc., etc. Since this is impossible, it is absolutely certain that in the totality of unlimited reality, other experiences will eventually occur.

These experiences are not temporally linked, they are not successive, since temporality is something internal to this experience, not something absolute. Therefore, right now there are infinite experiences. It's absolutely sure, you don't need to have those experiences, same than you don't need to go to Jupiter to know absolutely sure that it exists. The logical mind is a perception tool as accurate or more than the qualia. 

[Nemra]

@Breakingthewall, by the way, you can say that your experience is limited, as in your cognitive abilities limit it and your experience is structured in a specific way, however, it doesn't prove that others are experiencing simultaneously with you.

Experience being concrete has nothing to do with that. That limitation only proves that you are in a certain state, which is called human.

You are confusing stuff together.

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[Joseph Maynor]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes. It's mathematically impossible that there are not others experiences if we admit that reality has not absolute limits. 

The other possibility would be that the only experience in the totality of reality is that of a person who is currently writing on a phone and who lives in Spain, etc., etc. Since this is impossible, it is absolutely certain that in the totality of unlimited reality, other experiences will eventually occur.

These experiences are not temporally linked, they are not successive, since temporality is something internal to this experience, not something absolute. Therefore, right now there are infinite experiences. It's absolutely sure, you don't need to have those experiences, same than you don't need to go to Jupiter to know absolutely sure that it exists. The logical mind is a perception tool as accurate or more than the qualia. 

Is this self-soothing for you?