How a Solipsist walks down the street and perceives reality

[Breakingthewall]

19 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Would you like your identity to be based on a falsehood?

Limiting your identity is false.

Enlightenment is the total openess , this implies absence of any identification. 

[Nemra]

13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Enlightenment is the total openess , this implies absence of any identification. 

Identification closes your mind when you try to defend what you like or want to identify with.

Identifying with everything is not a limitation and doesn't close your mind.

Edited 4 hours ago by Nemra

[Sugarcoat]

7 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Identifying with everything is not a limitation and doesn't close your mind.

Reality just is, why it need identification, it sounds like some mechanism of action, or?

[Nemra]

7 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Reality just is, why it need identification, it sounds like some mechanism of action, or?

Don't you want to understand why you identify with certain things, like your body, but not with some random chair?

[Breakingthewall]

18 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Identification closes your mind when you try to defend what you like or want to identify with.

Identifying with everything is not a limitation and doesn't close your mind.

You don't identify with everything because you think you are the creator of what appears; therefore, there is a difference between you as the creator and what appears as an imaginary dream.

[UnbornTao]

2 hours ago, How to be wise said:

There's no way for me to convince you that solipsism is true.

However, based on my direct experience for the last seven years, I am completely certain of its truth.

The only thing I can ask you to do is keep an open mind. Question all of your assumptions. 

I hope you find the truth. 

There's no way for me to convince you that X is true.

However, based on my direct experience for the last seven years, I am completely certain of its truth.

The only thing I can ask you to do is keep an open mind. Question all of your assumptions. 

I hope you find the truth. 

[Nemra]

@Breakingthewall, when you identify with everything, the boundary between you and everything ceases to be, because wherever you point, you will be there. 

However, that wouldn't change your state to a higher one. Also, you wouldn't be able to fly like a bird or do something new because of identifying with everything.

[Sugarcoat]

18 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Don't you want to understand why you identify with certain things, like your body, but not with some random chair?

I think it’s a mechanism, maybe of the brain, mind that creates this identity as ourselves and the body

What I meant was, if someone gets enlightened and they no longer have identity with the body and self. Why would it be replaced with identity with everything, it’s extra step. Reality would just “be”. No identity 

Edited 3 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[theleelajoker]

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[Nemra]

@Sugarcoat, it's not because you want to replace but because you want to understand how you identify.

Why should you mindlessly pursue not identifying with anything?

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[Sugarcoat]

10 minutes ago, Nemra said:

it's not because you want to replace but because you want to understand why you identify at all.

 

As a human we have this one identity which is with ourselves in our head/bodies. 
So yes I’ve been trying to understand how it works, why I identify as it.

That is a step in itself, what does it have to do with identifying with everything?

10 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Why should you mindlessly pursue not identifying with anything?

Well because in my experience the self is associated with suffering, and I’ve also experienced fluctuations in how real I feel, how strong my sense of self is. So when people say “you don’t exist”. I think maybe there is some truth to it, so I don’t think it’s bad idea to pursue the deconstruction of that sense of self. 
 

If you manage to reach a point of no identity. If you think about it, what’s the difference between identifying with nothing and everything ? Everything is unlimited (I think) so if you identity with infinity, then it’s same as nothing… Or?

[Nemra]

@Sugarcoat, it doesn't matter what the reason is that you identify only with your body. It's just false, which is not to say not to care about your body.

When you observe your sense phenomena, you will understand that you are constructing limitations to how you identify.

21 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

If you manage to reach a point of no identity. If you think about it, what’s the difference between identifying with nothing and everything ? Everything is unlimited (I think) so if you identity with infinity, then it’s same as nothing… Or?

Well, I'm not against disidentification, but the deception is in constructing limitations.

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[Sugarcoat]

14 minutes ago, Nemra said:

it doesn't matter what the reason is that you identify only with your body. It's just false, which is not to say not to care about your body.

 

I see, so you mean that it’s not necessary to understand the reason, in order to deconstruct it? I could see that possibility 

15 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Sugarcoat, When you observe your sense phenomena, you will understand that you are constructing limitations to how you identify.

 

Sense phenomena seems to mean different things. Internal vs external. I think going more inward is beneficial in trying to deconstruct or become aware of your limitations. 

 

17 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Sugarcoat

Well, I'm not against disidentification, but the deception is in constructing limitations.

If limitations cease then it’s the same as disidentification, I think 

[Nemra]

49 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I see, so you mean that it’s not necessary to understand the reason, in order to deconstruct it? I could see that possibility 

Maybe you need to understand the reason, I don't know.

However, once you see the illogical nature of how you have been identifying, you will see that there's no reason not to identify with things that you have completely disregarded.

49 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Sense phenomena seems to mean different things. Internal vs external. I think going more inward is beneficial in trying to deconstruct or become aware of your limitations. 

I'm not referring to your cognitive abilities. I mean whatever is in your field of "view".

49 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

If limitations cease then it’s the same as disidentification, I think 

Different directions.

Edited 1 hour ago by Nemra

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Nemra said:

@Breakingthewall, when you identify with everything, the boundary between you and everything ceases to be, because wherever you point, you will be there. 

However, that wouldn't change your state to a higher one. Also, you wouldn't be able to fly like a bird or do something new because of identifying with everything.

Then for you is the same if you are imprisoned for life or if someone in Iran is imprisoned for life?

[Nemra]

11 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then for you is the same if you are imprisoned for life or if someone in Iran is imprisoned for life?

I don't quite understand your question and its intention.

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[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Nemra said:

I don't quite understand your question and its intention.

If you identify with everything, as you've said, what's the difference between me being tortured and you being tortured? It seems different, then.

Aren't you equally identified with your limited human reality than with the totality of existence? Perhaps it's just a mind game that works until the guy with the red-hot irons arrives.

Why to deny what's obvious? Same than affirm that you can realize that you are creating the reality as god but you can't change it

[Nemra]

@Breakingthewall, well, you should go further and understand that you imagine that others are simultaneously having experiences with you and that the qualia of their experience is somewhat the same.

So, you will never have the opportunity to identify with a thing that you cannot experience, because it literally doesn't exist for you, even if people tell you it's happening to them and you're going to feel the same. You're always going to refer your experience.

E.g., if someone is being tortured, you aren't feeling the pain that they are feeling. You can only imagine how they are feeling just by knowing what it feels like to be in pain. However, you aren't actually being tortured, which is what matters.

[Breakingthewall]

27 minutes ago, Nemra said:

 

 

27 minutes ago, Nemra said:

you should go further and understand that you imagine that others are simultaneously having experiences with you and that the qualia of their experience is somewhat the same.

Well you could go further and understand that others have a real experience. Or maybe I could think that in eternity only the human that I am writing in a phone now is the only experience that happened and is going to happen? If other experiences are possible, where are them? In the future? In the past? Then infinity is a timeline?

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[Nemra]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Well you could go further and understand that other have a real experience.

That's the problem. You cannot even prove others' experiences because you cannot get outside your experience, which is not to say your experience doesn't change.

Please understand that I'm not entertaining a possibility here. I just realized that I cannot prove it to myself because it's impossible.

I'm not even saying that you should disregard what others supposedly experience, because it can help you understand your experience.