Owen Cook On Psychedelic Use

[Ananda]

He has some solid talking points here fellas

[Hojo]

Hes focusing on the dark.

[OBEler]

Always remind yourself he is a marketing man in the self help field. He tries to convert the psychedelic users into his customers. Maybe his friends also come all from an esoteric scene.

But he still could have some points.

 

Edited 8 hours ago by OBEler

[Leo Gura]

Of course there are dangers.

There are also dangers to sleeping with hundreds of women.

Funny how that is never emphasized, huh?

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Miguel1]

25 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Funny how that is never emphasized, huh?

To be fair, Owen does always emphasize being very careful with condom use (not getting STDs and getting them pregnant), pulling out (with a condom), being aware of the danger of RAS flips in sexual relationships.

On a deeper level, you could argue he doesnt emphasize the danger of getting addicted to game, but he does emphasize getting these basic needs out of the system so one can focus on higher stuff (more rarely tho).

It’s a different story whether he can practice what he presches himself.

I havent also heard of him talking about how game hurts the girls.

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P.S. Finished your rationality episode part 2, and it was madness.

P.S.S. Would appreciate if you checked your PM. Sent you one I believe last week.

Edited 7 hours ago by Miguel1

[Jayson G]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course there are dangers.

There are also dangers to sleeping with hundreds of women.

Funny how that is never emphasized, huh?

@Leo Gura I think there's a difference though .. I never had an issue sleeping with girls. It's quite simple to put a condom on and save yourself from 99% of issues. But I've only done psychedelics like 4x - one ended up with cops and paramedics involved. I couldve been more strategic about it, but as a 22 yr old back then, lack of guidance, etc. - I dont think psychedelics are for most people unless you get a strong foundation going in many ways.

[Twentyfirst]

Rule number one of psychedelics. People who haven't done psychedelics don't know about psychedelics. Rule number two of psychedelics. Try it before you judge it.

[Terell Kirby]

Owen’s perspective on psychedelics lacks nuance and is grounded in various assumptions and biases- all of which he hasn’t personally validated and is unaware of.

This alone invalidates his perspective, although it may contain kernels of truth in it. His perspective on psychedelics is coming from below, not above.

Edited 6 hours ago by Terell Kirby

[LordFall]

Right but to be fair from Owen's perspective having gone too far with psychedelics and being weird would be finding his content shallow and focusing on deeper things in life. 

I don't doubt that some of Owen's friends that used to be cool with him don't really associate with him anymore due to his low consciousness. I've heard plenty of bad stories about Owen so his more conscious friends probably surpassed him long ago. 

@Miguel1 What did you like best from the rationality video? 

[Leo Gura]

The dangers of pickup go far deeper than catching an STD.

Pickup will corrupt your soul and mind. As it did with Owen, Julien, Jeffy, and more.

Look at the monster it made of Julien.

Edited 5 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Terell Kirby]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Look at the monster it made of Julien.

Would be funny if someone in the audience at Owen s talk brought this up.

”Psychedelics are bad when taken too far-my friends are whacked out on them and so is everyone else!”

Audience member- “but what about Julien? Didn’t he get whacked out on pick up??”

Double standard 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Terell Kirby

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

“but what about Julien? Didn’t he get whacked out on pick up??”

More directly: "What about you Owen? Aren't you whacked out on pickup? What kind pervert supports Trump?"

[OBEler]

38 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The dangers of pickup go far deeper than catching an STD.

Pickup will corrupt your soul and mind. As it did with Owen, Julien, Jeffy, and more.

Look at the monster it made of Julien.

Oh yes...I was also on the pickup train and when I got into a serious relationship I couldn't feel love because of all the exploiting tactics of pickup running constantly in my mind. It made me also to a heartless partner. You should really really be careful. The pickup community is selfish. No one is considering the feelings of the woman who gets manipulated.

Edited 5 hours ago by OBEler

[Jodistrict]

I didn’t hear him say anything I disagree with.  I have seen people taking psychedelics for years without getting better or getting worse.  If it works, why are there people who have taken 100 ayahuasca ceremonies?   If you really process your trauma, you should feel great and quit.  

One thing that I think happens is that when you take psychedelics it puts stress on the nervous system which activates the ego defense mechanisms, which then activate the imagination that creates visions and fantasies precisely to protect the traumatized parts from being reached.  There is too much fear.   Healing needs safety.  So at best, you are being retraumatized.

I started a thread to address this very issue and discuss a new psychedelic psychotherapy that guides you individually. 

 

In my opinion, the group ceremonies are a waste of time, and I have yet to meet a shaman that impresses me.  They don't know what they are doing.

[Ramasta9]

How I see it is: when you go against god > against nature = there is no (protection) there, as you basically turned your back on the the creator, in a sense... basically you are naked in the dark side of consciousness or satans land, and if you mess around with strong substances created artificially by the hands of men who are not true saints, you only can end up in a deeper mess if you are not strong and grounded enough. This is why people get hijacked and messed up. Synthetic lab-created drugs, no shamans, no nature, surrounded by an artificial environment, (no guidance system), your completely exposed, and what you get, a temporary false enlightenment, and over time, the soul is drained more and more.

I also like him have so many friends who are very 'scattered' and far worse then they were before and yes much more dark in a sense. Stick to nature and what is natural. Only consume what grows naturally and if you have good friends or shamans who are grounded and wise, and in a natural environment devoid of all this 'artificial noise', this the ideal place to do psychedelics (cause your opening your energetic fields). Trees are very important to be close to during these times.

Only the strongest people can do it in mainstream environments and not get hijacked, there is always a subtle trade off, cause it was traded off the moment it deviated from nature, (gods temple). So you disrespect god, he can't help you, its simple as that.

I even notice the difference from street weed and home grown organic cannabis, its completely different thing if you are perceptive enough. Nowadays i grow everything myself, and takes a long time so i cannot abuse it either.

If nature didn't create it, don't take it, and don't abuse it, or you lose it. Everything needs to be respected. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Ramasta9

[OBEler]

@Ramasta9 how much psychedelic experience do you have? 

I ask me that because it sounds like you speak like an outsider watching psychedelic users .

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Miguel1 said:

P.S. Finished your rationality episode part 2, and it was madness.

[Hojo]

Even the name pick up is corrupt. What are you picking up? An object.

[Terell Kirby]

33 minutes ago, Hojo said:

 What are you picking up? An object.

no objects, only God 

[Ramasta9]

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

@Ramasta9 how much psychedelic experience do you have? 

I ask me that because it sounds like you speak like an outsider watching psychedelic users .

About 15 years or so. Its the opposite actually, i delved probably deeper than most have here, on many sides of the spectrum, the pure/sober path, the buddhist path, the shamans path, non-dual path, the whole shebang.

I started to understand the deeper aspects of consciousness once i started to live more in nature and indigenous people and natives who had a far deeper understanding of the psychic and energetic phenomenon and that's where my 1st eye really opened and starting to see beyond the veils. I also observe many people on this path, how those who do it right are stable and carry the same truth within them, while others who don't (which is most people) are often worse then they started, and actually more scattered in their minds than integrated in beingness. 

I guess I could put it into more clearer language but I need to work on this. Apologies for the language barrier. Its very multidimensional its hard to explain in words. Shamans have been sharing this stuff for thousands of years, long before we were around, there is a need to respect that. These people are the foundation of the psychedelic use. 

Today there is plenty of neo-shamans and fake shamans today, its hard to find real ones that truly get it and often they use medicines nowhere near as much, but have mastered the art of embodying the medicines more so while sober.

It has been repeated that the use of lab-created or synthetic / artificial substances tend to create more 'scattering of consciousness' because the (whole body) is missing, the "spirit" of the medicine is not there, just the mechanics of it, so people tend to abuse more because it nourishes their minds more than their body and spirit as a whole.

Its like neo non-dual teachers preaching the truth without actually having integrated it, its empty, without the roots developed.

So there is no guidance system, thus one needs to guide and protect himself from intrusive energies and burnout.

Edited 2 hours ago by Ramasta9