Owen Cook On Psychedelic Use

[Jayson G]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

Even the name pick up is corrupt. What are you picking up? An object.

@Hojo lol you might have a point .. 

[BlessedLion]

I actually agree with Owen, I also think that life is the psychedelic when you are truly in tune with it and engaged. There is no need to blast your nervous system. But i've spoken on this enough here with great detail and it never seems to land, so whatever, people can do what they're going to do. But I don't think it's very kind to your mind, body and nervous system. I agree with @Jodistrict that it retraumatizes the system and there is a dark energy to it, never truly feels stable.

 

Once you truly have God anything but just resting your own Beingness and Heart seems kinda silly. The horizontal (consciousness) goes forever, it's cool to contemplate and explore it, but also .... this.....now....infinity.... perfection.....

 

I think psychedelics are great gate-openers but they have a lot of risk and I see so many people falling into the shortcut they provide. But it's not really a shortcut at all because there are no shortcuts in this game. Most truly profound and embodied teachers got there sober. 

 

Pick-up has it's problems and can certainly corrupt your soul, but it can also be foundational for many men. More men need pick-up today than ever, because so many are just submitting to becoming porn addict incels. The problem with most pickup culture and material is it completely disregards the women and her being, it's all about the guy reaching the goal of getting laid in some psychopathic way. This is toxic and harmful and also doesn't really even provide great results. The problem with most pick-up is that you have to act inauthentically, you have to do little tricks and gimmicks and psychological games that you put in front of your own self and authentic being to "stay in frame" or "attract" but let me tell you when you are just being yourself and she chooses THAT, then you have sex, it is a much cleaner experience, it's fine to learn to pillars of escalation, eye contact, etc but the psycholgical gimmicks are where your soul dies. 

 

Recently i have been contemplating if there is a way to attract and seduce in a conscious way. Surely, there have been men of past who have a natural and honest charisma that results in sex but doesn't harm the woman or require lying, manipulation, and ghosting. Where the woman actually benefits from the experience as well without needing it to be anything other than what it was. Almost like a maturity around the whole thing. Pick-up is wildly immature, I can't even do it anymore, I'd rather just not get laid than do that bullshit. 

 

I am still working on this contemplation and will expirement but i think of a guy like Hank Moody from Californication as this type of naturally attractive man that women genuinely want to sleep with for it's own sake. Not because you gaslit her inner child or posed as some alpha douchebag, but your just calm and cool in that energy and honest about what you want and can provide. 

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

think of a guy like Hank Moody from Californication as this type of naturally attractive man

Note that the actual actor of Hank Moody is a miserable sex addict.

These things are not coincidences.

Edited yesterday at 05:32 AM by Leo Gura

[Hojo]

48 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

 

Recently i have been contemplating if there is a way to attract and seduce in a conscious way. Surely, there have been men of past who have a natural and honest charisma that results in sex but doesn't harm the woman or require lying, manipulation, and ghosting. Where the woman actually benefits from the experience as well without needing it to be anything other than what it was. Almost like a maturity around the whole thing. Pick-up is wildly immature, I can't even do it anymore, I'd rather just not get laid than do that bullshit. 

 

 

Your natural state is non manipulative charismatic and seductive.

Pick up fucks that up.

If you stop thinking about picking up or fucking women you will become what you are trying to do. 

Take the woman off the pedestal. Get the woman out of your mind.

[mmKay]

Silly. He is blaming the tool not the user.

Psychedelics will destabilise you if you have an epistemology underdeveloped mind or are unlucky with genetics or health . 

You can come across as "weird" for 3 reasons:

1.Radically different paradigm - you're no longer a hustle bro and don't value material archivement anymore, creating a value mismatch between two people. 

2 You loose footing in your journey of sense-making, and obviously are confused. What you think was true now doesn't make sense anymore and your conceptual framework of existance breaks, so as an attempt to ground yourself your mind resort to all kinds of fantasies and self-deceptions and you go coo-coo. 

3. Psychedelics trigger some sort of actual mental health condition you were prone to, or you suffer a permanent state of consciousness shift  where you lose touch with the consensus reallity 

 

He's also talking out of his ass about archiving what psychedelics can provide you without taking psychedelics.

Right. 

Edited yesterday at 07:41 AM by mmKay

[How to be wise]

@Leo Gura Do you think some of these pickup artists have children that they aren’t aware of, just because of the large number of women they came inside of?  

[Joseph Maynor]

Put this guy in an expensive suit and clean him up and he would be a great salesman.

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, How to be wise said:

@Leo Gura Do you think some of these pickup artists have children that they aren’t aware of, just because of the large number of women they came inside of?  

Jeffy has like 7 abortions, last time I heard. Which was 10 years ago.

[BlessedLion]

22 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Note that the actual actor of Hank Moody is a miserable sex addict.

These things are not coincidences.

What do you think the solution is? Date around? Multiple girfriends and polyamory? One Goddess/Marriage? Celibacy? I'm curious what your take on this is.

 

21 hours ago, Hojo said:

Your natural state is non manipulative charismatic and seductive.

Pick up fucks that up.

If you stop thinking about picking up or fucking women you will become what you are trying to do. 

Take the woman off the pedestal. Get the woman out of your mind.

I spent about 8 months of voluntary celibacy while doing ancient practices like meditation semen retention, yogic transmutation of sexual energy and it gave me super human levels of creativity, discipline, energy, and connection to the Divine. I mean it was unreal, never experienced anything like that, it was like that movie "Limitless" I felt like I was on the Limitless Pill just by directing and retaining my sexual energy

Now I've realized that i want to come back into the body and date around, it's not putting women on a pedestal but also realizing that human intimacy is something i'm ready for again. Not in an attached way, but let's be honest, if I don't take action on it nothing will happen. So many guys do this "don't pedastalize her" attitude and they just end up sexless and watching porn, you have to at least take some action, doesn't have to be in a needy way though. And i also don't want to do the pick up douche bag thing, that is soul-less. 

Thinking I can meet some conscious women who are open to a more Tantric container, there are plenty where I live. 

 

 

[Leo Gura]

36 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

What do you think the solution is? Date around? Multiple girfriends and polyamory? One Goddess/Marriage? Celibacy? I'm curious what your take on this is.

It will be different for everyone. There is no right answer.

[Zen LaCroix]

You guys are saying pick up but most guys I know call it Game. Owen Cook has even at times called it Frame since that's essentially the most important aspect of it all. Getting the girl to fall into your frame

[Zen LaCroix]

Game can be a great avenue for spiritual growth. Depending on your level of consciousness. Granted that you are doing it sober

It forces you to get out of apathy up to a higher level of consciousness 

You may have to deal with emotions you don't like and learn the art of detachment and letting go. Which is very spiritual.

You must learn to control your own emotions which will make you grounded and give you some inner peace.

You will face lots of rejection and that can make you bitter or you can use that  as an opportunity to strengthen your resolve. To let go more and more and self generate good emotions from within.

[Hojo]

@BlessedLionIf you are connected to the divine then just spawn a woman to have sex with or date.

Edited 5 hours ago by Hojo

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

@BlessedLionIf you are connected to the divine then just spawn a woman to have sex with or date.

Hahaha

[AION]

3 hours ago, Hojo said:

@BlessedLionIf you are connected to the divine then just spawn a woman to have sex with or date.

This is where you come in

[AerisVahnEphelia]

He is just not ready for the hard truth and calls it weird, while his friend believes in him enough to handle it. Or his friends are just some Connor Murphy types, which might be the opposite: they are so certain of their own bullshit that they become annoying, whack, and repeat it like parrots, using some schizo framing.

Classic immature mind.

People call me whimsical and funny all the time. I will just keep the hard truth for ready minds, and even they cannot handle it most of the time.

I also just know when it feels right. There is no reason to explain anything to someone who does not have the tools to grasp what is being said without over compressing the concept into a low consciousness projection.

Edited 1 hour ago by AerisVahnEphelia

[AerisVahnEphelia]

3 hours ago, Hojo said:

@BlessedLionIf you are connected to the divine then just spawn a woman to have sex with or date.

I litteraly spawned my american wife like this, not even moving from my home at all or using any dating app.

people think it's luck, but explaining to you the process would be like uploading to you my life experience.

the reality is that, science don't exist, because nothing is reproductible, all life experiences makes all your reality absolutely unique.

nothing can be gain from reading others, it's just your mind ordering more of your mind.

Edited 1 hour ago by AerisVahnEphelia

[AerisVahnEphelia]

On 23/12/2025 at 2:01 AM, Leo Gura said:

The dangers of pickup go far deeper than catching an STD.

Pickup will corrupt your soul and mind. As it did with Owen, Julien, Jeffy, and more.

Look at the monster it made of Julien.

The most radical healing you can do to create love is to stop engaging with people who operate at a low level of awareness.

It really is that simple.

I know it sounds extreme or unrealistic, but it is precisely what prevents your mind from being poisoned. Do not tolerate destructive or incoherent thinking inside your mind, neither others’ thoughts nor their frameworks. You must be strict about what you allow in.

For example, when I interact with intelligent, high awareness women, it makes me respect and see women the same way I see myself: intelligent, clear minded, and thoughtful.

I have no interest in red pill narratives or reductionist biology debates. I do not care about them, because I refuse to let external frameworks dictate how I experience reality.

Of course I understand biology and those theories, but most of them are shallow, overgeneralized, and often used as excuses rather than tools. Science or spirituality becomes meaningless when it is used as a belief system instead of a lens.

Reality is shaped through agency. Thoughts arise, but I choose whether to act on them or not.

If a concept like hypergamy enters my mind (it doesn't exist, and if you believe in it, you're so retarded, you're beyond saving, and I won't even debate you why, you're just a retard, beyond saving, do not argue, do not try me, I don't give a shit, eat your arsenic frame without me, I m the hypergamic as a man, I m hypergamic on the best of the best of frame, and I've 0 tolerance for beta cuck framework, believe your vomit and enjoy )

the importance I give it is entirely my responsibility. Awareness or ignorance of an idea does not change its effect if I choose to let it dominate my thinking.

Most information is noise. The only data that truly matters is creation: creating meaning, creating connection, creating love.

I create reality, I m the painter, I m the doer.

You do not find love, and you do not fully understand it in advance. The only thing you can do is pursue it and create it.

Love is your creation. Love must be constantly created. Be an artist or be doomed.

That is the only data that matters. Everything else is noise that distracts from agency, intention, and creation.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by AerisVahnEphelia