Owen Cook On Psychedelic Use

[Jayson G]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

Even the name pick up is corrupt. What are you picking up? An object.

@Hojo lol you might have a point .. 

[BlessedLion]

I actually agree with Owen, I also think that life is the psychedelic when you are truly in tune with it and engaged. There is no need to blast your nervous system. But i've spoken on this enough here with great detail and it never seems to land, so whatever, people can do what they're going to do. But I don't think it's very kind to your mind, body and nervous system. I agree with @Jodistrict that it retraumatizes the system and there is a dark energy to it, never truly feels stable.

 

Once you truly have God anything but just resting your own Beingness and Heart seems kinda silly. The horizontal (consciousness) goes forever, it's cool to contemplate and explore it, but also .... this.....now....infinity.... perfection.....

 

I think psychedelics are great gate-openers but they have a lot of risk and I see so many people falling into the shortcut they provide. But it's not really a shortcut at all because there are no shortcuts in this game. Most truly profound and embodied teachers got there sober. 

 

Pick-up has it's problems and can certainly corrupt your soul, but it can also be foundational for many men. More men need pick-up today than ever, because so many are just submitting to becoming porn addict incels. The problem with most pickup culture and material is it completely disregards the women and her being, it's all about the guy reaching the goal of getting laid in some psychopathic way. This is toxic and harmful and also doesn't really even provide great results. The problem with most pick-up is that you have to act inauthentically, you have to do little tricks and gimmicks and psychological games that you put in front of your own self and authentic being to "stay in frame" or "attract" but let me tell you when you are just being yourself and she chooses THAT, then you have sex, it is a much cleaner experience, it's fine to learn to pillars of escalation, eye contact, etc but the psycholgical gimmicks are where your soul dies. 

 

Recently i have been contemplating if there is a way to attract and seduce in a conscious way. Surely, there have been men of past who have a natural and honest charisma that results in sex but doesn't harm the woman or require lying, manipulation, and ghosting. Where the woman actually benefits from the experience as well without needing it to be anything other than what it was. Almost like a maturity around the whole thing. Pick-up is wildly immature, I can't even do it anymore, I'd rather just not get laid than do that bullshit. 

 

I am still working on this contemplation and will expirement but i think of a guy like Hank Moody from Californication as this type of naturally attractive man that women genuinely want to sleep with for it's own sake. Not because you gaslit her inner child or posed as some alpha douchebag, but your just calm and cool in that energy and honest about what you want and can provide. 

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

think of a guy like Hank Moody from Californication as this type of naturally attractive man

Note that the actual actor of Hank Moody is a miserable sex addict.

These things are not coincidences.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Hojo]

48 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

 

Recently i have been contemplating if there is a way to attract and seduce in a conscious way. Surely, there have been men of past who have a natural and honest charisma that results in sex but doesn't harm the woman or require lying, manipulation, and ghosting. Where the woman actually benefits from the experience as well without needing it to be anything other than what it was. Almost like a maturity around the whole thing. Pick-up is wildly immature, I can't even do it anymore, I'd rather just not get laid than do that bullshit. 

 

 

Your natural state is non manipulative charismatic and seductive.

Pick up fucks that up.

If you stop thinking about picking up or fucking women you will become what you are trying to do. 

Take the woman off the pedestal. Get the woman out of your mind.

[mmKay]

Silly. He is blaming the tool not the user.

Psychedelics will destabilise you if you have an epistemology underdeveloped mind or are unlucky with genetics or health . 

You can come across as "weird" for 3 reasons:

1.Radically different paradigm - you're no longer a hustle bro and don't value material archivement anymore, creating a value mismatch between two people. 

2 You loose footing in your journey of sense-making, and obviously are confused. What you think was true now doesn't make sense anymore and your conceptual framework of existance breaks, so as an attempt to ground yourself your mind resort to all kinds of fantasies and self-deceptions and you go coo-coo. 

3. Psychedelics trigger some sort of actual mental health condition you were prone to, or you suffer a permanent state of consciousness shift  where you lose touch with the consensus reallity 

 

He's also talking out of his ass about archiving what psychedelics can provide you without taking psychedelics.

Right. 

Edited 2 hours ago by mmKay