Leo do you still stand by this ?

[Someone here]

35 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@Someone here Leo also says the substance of reality is nothing in the interview. Hmmmm

Yeah ? Say more .

[Davino]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Infinity contains infinite Absolute Infinities. And that's just the beginning.

Last time I said this in the forum almost got lapidated 

[UnbornTao]

Infinity is not relative. 

What is it going to contain?

[Leo Gura]

Just now, UnbornTao said:

What is it going to contain?

Everything

[UnbornTao]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Everything

If it is relative, then it can contain something higher. But if it is absolute, there can't possibly be anything beyond it.

One, two, three, four, uno, dos, tres, cuatro.

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

If it is relative, then it can contain something higher. But if it is absolute, there can't possibly be anything beyond it.

One, two, three, four, uno, dos, tres, cuatro.

It's about more consciousness.

Yes, this is more consciousness than all your ideas of an absolute.

Edited 5 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Cubbage]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

What in the fuck is that fake AI thumbnail?

Jesus Curt!

@Leo Gura I saw that the other day when I went to re-watch it. Shockingly bad, the original was great!

[Davino]

I wish for the day we have another interview/talk from .

Btw, I'm curious to know what are David's Chapman inputs on the series you're making, surely he's interested in the topic.

[UnbornTao]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's about more consciousness.

Yes, this is more consciousness than all your ideas of an absolute.

Sure, my ideas are just ideas. So are everyone else's.

But you say "more consciousness" as if it were an attribute of the Absolute, whereas it might be better seen from the viewpoint of the individual that is seemingly attempting to grasp it. "Beyond" something implies relativity.

[Davino]

@UnbornTao Absolute is a construction, there's no final endpoint/state/space to Reality

There are different degrees of Infinity and Consciousness, that only make sense all relative to each other, from holism towards ever greater holism and perfection.

All moments are absolute and all absolutes are but relative to each other 

You're lacking requisite variety. Even your experiences of the 'one absolute' all differ from each other, your idea of something being absolute is an abstraction of your experiences because you cannot trap that as anything in particular.

I've been where you are, and it's about being open-minded and becoming more conscious, an infinite more.

[Leo Gura]

19 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

But you say "more consciousness" as if it were an attribute of the Absolute,

It is.

Your view of consciousness is not rich enough to understand what I am saying. So you will never understand me.

[UnbornTao]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is.

Your view of consciousness is not rich enough to understand what I am saying. So you will never understand me.

Ha, okay. 

Consider your use of the word beyond and what it points to. The absolute is not great, or a lot, or a multitude, or a combination of things, not even of every thing.

And again, a view is a view; a notion is a notion. The idea of "multiple" absolutes is a notion, as is holding it as something containing higher or lower "infinities."

A "meta-absolute"? A super huge absolute? A massive absolute?

Edited 4 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Leo Gura]

@UnbornTao No, you just don't understand what Consciousness is.

Your mind is stuck and you refuse to be intelligent enough to escape your own self-imagined box.

You honestly believe you've figured it out. You cannot go higher until you admit you are wrong. But you imagine you're right. So there you are.

Take your absolute and throw it in the trash.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[UnbornTao]

29 minutes ago, Davino said:

@UnbornTao Absolute is a construction, there's no final endpoint/state/space to Reality

There are different degrees of Infinity and Consciousness, that only make sense all relative to each other, from holism towards ever greater holism and perfection.

All moments are absolute and all absolutes are but relative to each other 

You're lacking requisite variety. Even your experiences of the 'one absolute' all differ from each other, your idea of something being absolute is an abstraction of your experiences because you cannot trap that as anything in particular.

I've been where you are, and it's about being open-minded and becoming more conscious, an infinite more.

The distinction that the word alludes to will be constructed, but if the absolute itself is constructed, then you're talking about something relative. Why call it absolute, then? Call it a construction - which is not the same as infinity. Degree and difference are relative (!), so it is nonsense when applied to absolute matters. How could they not be? I guess we might not know what the absolute itself is, which is fine.

But again, I suspect you're talking about a state, as suggested by your choice of words: endpoint, state, space. You think I'm talking about a fixed thing existing out there objectively, "outside", "behind", "inside", or "containing" reality, like an Infinity Thermostat or some such.

Edited 4 hours ago by UnbornTao

[UnbornTao]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@UnbornTao No, you just don't understand what Consciousness is.

Your mind is stuck and you refuse to be intelligent enough to escape your own self-imagined box.

You honestly believe you've figured it out. You cannot go higher until you admit you are wrong. But you imagine you're right. So there you are.

Take your absolute and throw it in the trash.

I could say the same to you.

Take your so-called multiple Infinities and throw them in the trash.

[Terell Kirby]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Infinity contains infinite Absolute Infinities. And that's just the beginning.

 

[UnbornTao]

@Leo Gura One Linux, many distros.

[Leo Gura]

47 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

I could say the same to you.

Take your so-called multiple Infinities and throw them in the trash.

Of course anyone can say it.

But for your brilliant strategem to work you best be sure you are more conscious than me.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Thought Art]

The absolute can not be spoken. FOOLS! jk

The idea, of infinite absolute infinities is interesting... Kind of an indra's net thing going on where the sum of indra's net is contained in a single beat of water, or bead, or point in the net.

Plural absolutes is strange. You would think "everything" "Infinity" and "Absolute" and "God" would be synonymous. 

I think, it has to do with the fact that all distinctions, though finite are also paradoxically infinite in nature. 

I know I can awaken to this, apparently. I've seen glimpses. Not sure I want to.

Infinity can't be contained, which makes sense to me that it always transcends itself. Infinity would have to be paradoxicaly.

Infinite absolutes? That would only be possible if reality is real, and any distinction in reality being real. And, there being infinite divisions potentiated....HMM

However, fuck idea about this. Awakening must happen!

Edited 3 hours ago by Thought Art

[Someone here]