Are incredible men just average women?

[BlueOak]

As I see it mentioned.
Get off the dating scene. Approach girls in real life, talk to them. If you can find a girl not on apps, its a good start. Put the work in, don't take the easy convenient approach, build things irl. Convenience is not a place to start off for the long term in my opinion.

I had more women approach me this last year, approach me, because I just talk to anyone now. I couldn't care less. I picked one of the ones interested and we are happy. But i'd known her for months. Its not like i'm the most handsome guy around either, I just talk to a lot of women. I also hate 'game', I just ask them how they are show interest, sometimes make them laugh when a chance comes with something harmless but unexpected.

(But i'm naturally also protective of people which many find attractive when they see that side of me).

Edited Thursday at 12:04 AM by BlueOak

[BlueOak]

6 minutes ago, Elliott said:

I actually don't think regular guys have high standards either. I think the high standards on both sides of this conversation are internet/not real world. Guys don't care about makeup and dressing like a model.

Outside of your 20's or when men mature past image.
Truth

Loyalty and trust are infinitely more sought-after traits universally in partners.
Which by the way are considerably higher standards in the modern day 'convenient' approach to dating. Ditch convenience, its the solution to it all.

[Lila9]

14 minutes ago, Elliott said:

I actually don't think regular guys have high standards either. I think the high standards on both sides of this conversation are internet/not real world. Guys don't care about makeup and dressing like a model.

I don’t know, it may vary, but I guess it is okay to have high standards if the person is willing to offer the same value to others.

 

 

 

[BlueOak]

11 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

I don’t know, it may vary, but I guess it is okay to have high standards if the person is willing to offer the same value to others.

Its okay to want anything.
Getting all these wants is another matter.

People are real and messy. Not data on a profile. Or a bunch of words in our heads.

[Lila9]

26 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

Ok. This is not a issue that I experience personally. 

Actually, these guys hate me because I'm a "Chad" who have it "easy".

What I do know is that men are suffering, women are suffering.

Life is hard for those who are born poor, ugly, mental health issues, bad genetics.

Survival doesn't give a f*ck.

I see. I agree. 

[Elliott]

3 hours ago, BlueOak said:

Outside of your 20's or when men mature past image.
 

Even in the 20s, sure guys are infatuated with the model type, but put a hygenic girl as @CARDOZZO says in front of them and they're satisfied, (for marriage they want more than hygiene but not in the looks department). Sure they'll rank girls based on the model type, but really, they're satisfied with average looking girls.

Just as 20s girls are infatuated with rich Chad's, most are still completely satisfied with normies.

Really, the only problem is individually, the guys and girls being ready for a real relationship, most knowingly aren't and are insecure about it.

Edited Thursday at 03:03 AM by Elliott

[Elliott]

2 hours ago, Lila9 said:

I don’t know, it may vary, but I guess it is okay to have high standards if the person is willing to offer the same value to others.

 

 

 

That's not to say most guys are ready for a real relationship.... just that when/if they are, average is plenty good enough. Most guys aren't confidently ready for a real relationship, so they just seek sex.

Edited Thursday at 03:03 AM by Elliott

[EternalForest]

On 12/17/2025 at 2:59 PM, Lila9 said:

By getting along with women, do you mean romantically?

What about platonic relationships with women?

Do incels and red pillers exist because of women? What can women do now to make them not exist?

Men in power influence younger men and dictate masculinity. Young men admire men in power and look up to them, even if they misleading them, which is mostly the case.

 

1. I have no in-person relationships with women.

2. They exist because of the current gender dynamics. For them to not exist, society would have to go back to the gender dynamics that actually worked in the past.

3. Everyone in power is corrupt to some degree. I prefer to focus on our leaders' good qualities.

Edited 11 hours ago by EternalForest

[EternalForest]

On 12/17/2025 at 3:05 PM, CARDOZZO said:

They are resentful because they can't get women's attention and sex.

 It is what it is, if you want to become someone that barely have a chance with woman, you gotta bring something to the table. 

Work on yourself, go to the gym, develop inner game, etc.

They expect woman to love them for who they are. This is maternal love not romantic love. Intimate relationships are transactional at some level. 

A drug dealer on the street has a better chance of getting laid than an awkward gym rat. So I don't buy the whole "work on yourself to get laid" thing, sorry.

[CARDOZZO]

26 minutes ago, EternalForest said:

A drug dealer on the street has a better chance of getting laid than an awkward gym rat. So I don't buy the whole "work on yourself to get laid" thing, sorry.

I agree 100%

You have to give a positive vision beyond sex to desperate guys. If they get the sex they want, they will become hollow. They will see that sex is just sex. 

[mr_engineer]

I think that a big reason for this stupid gender-war is atheism. A fundamental 'Godlessness' in the modern world, which leads to different agendas on the male side and the female side. 

Religion is not a great solution to this problem, because the gender-roles are too rigid. New-Age spirituality is a much better solution. 

[Lila9]

4 hours ago, EternalForest said:

1. I have no in-person relationships with women.

2. They exist because of the current gender dynamics. For them to not exist, society would have to go back to the gender dynamics that actually worked in the past.

3. Everyone in power is corrupt to some degree. I prefer to focus on our leaders' good qualities.

Maybe you should start with a platonic relationship with women, just to hang out and play, unless you see this as too degrading to your ego and something that may exclude you from the patriarchal cult, after which you will be called a simp, of course.

What is it in the gender dynamics that created the incels and red-pillers? What are the gender dynamics that actually worked in the past? Do you mind elaborating?

Yes, but men like you enable toxic men in power. You actively support them, you admire them, you bootlick and stroke their ego, and they shit on you, send you to wars for stupid reasons, play with your life, make you poor and weaker and you still look up to them and blame all your problems on women or feminists, because this is what they want you to do. Y’all never ask questions. You just accept the pressure. Just a perspective.