Are incredible men just average women?

[Lila9]

18 minutes ago, Elliott said:

*while both the man and woman work full time jobs

If a man cleans around the house, and communicates, he's considered incredible. All of this is expected of average women.

These guys are coming from Redpill "man need 6 figures and be ceo", that's not what feminists are talking about. Guys are considered incredible with a normal job, cleaning, and communicating.

Yes, that’s important to mention. Thank you for the clarification. 

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, Lila9 said:

All humans from all races are still very genetically close.

They are more similar than different. Even if there are some genetic differences, they are small and irrelevant and do not mean that one race is superior to another. We can accept the differences of each group of people without categorizing them into some artificial hierarchy of power.

We can accept the biological differences between men and women without discriminating against each other.

Yes, I am probably idealistic and I expect too much from society, but I think that this is possible in the future.

Regarding the distribution of material resources, it is not a problem, because there is no scarcity.

 

Being an idealist means believing that ideas ultimately shape social structures and conditions, rather than the other way around (materialism).

One could say that as a non-dualist I am ultimately an idealist myself; but what is implied in the ideas of idealism and materialism, as they are usually understood as philosophical concepts, is the separation of signifier and signified.
You emphasize the signifier—that is "white people," "women" or objets like that—whereas I target the signified which is the collective subject; and i assume the nature of the collective subject is essentially social.

Therefore there's no point in talking about "whiteness"; "whiteness", "patriarchy" etc is simply what happens when we industrialize.

Edited 15 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Schizophonia]

14 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Many times, especially in more conservative countries, the women who hold power in society tend to be the ones who internalize masculine and patriarchal values.
They see themselves almost like men with different genitalia.

Precisely; because wearing a blazer and being unkind is not a man's thing, it's a boss's thing.

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, CARDOZZO said:

Work on yourself, go to the gym, develop inner game, etc.

Yes! But that requires time, money, and good mental health.

So it's social.

[Lila9]

1 hour ago, CARDOZZO said:

They are resentful because they can't get women's attention and sex.

 It is what it is, if you want to become someone that barely have a chance with woman, you gotta bring something to the table. 

Work on yourself, go to the gym, develop inner game, etc.

They expect woman to love them for who they are. This is maternal love not romantic love. Intimate relationships are transactional at some level. 

Do you think that men receive platonic attention from women?

This is interesting, because while men often crave sexual attention from women, women tend to crave platonic attention. Many women feel disrespected and ignored by men unless these men find them sexually attractive or available.

 

[CARDOZZO]

29 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Precisely; because wearing a blazer and being unkind is not a man's thing, it's a boss's thing.

This is something that needs to be talked about. We (man) are put on leadership roles, difficult jobs that require strenght, emotional inhibition, aggressiveness, detachment. Someone will need to do this job. They conflate the messenger with the message itself.

Same thing with sexual drive. We are BORN with his sexual drive. It is within us. Man are extremely misunderstood in society. 

Woman are fighting with an invisible force and man get all the burden while they (who? ) treat us as machine slaves, idiots, servants.

The real fight is on the map not the territory,

Master your mind.

[CARDOZZO]

32 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Yes! But that requires time, money, and good mental health.

So it's social.

Of course. As we say here in Brazil "life is not a strawberry".

[CARDOZZO]

44 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Do you think that men receive platonic attention from women?

This is interesting, because while men often crave sexual attention from women, women tend to crave platonic attention. Many women feel disrespected and ignored by men unless these men find them sexually attractive or available.

 

I think that specific kinds of man receive free attention. The other regular guys are trying to collect crumbs or trying to become like these special guys.

Social media is brutal with average man. Dating apps? Terrible.

If you lived as a regular guy on a 3rd country, you would be terrified. (low salaries, low self-esteem, poor mental health, woman do not like you, opportunity scarcity).

I am above average, dating is not a problem. BUT you have to work to get results. 

I feel for the guys, it is sad. 

Edited 15 hours ago by CARDOZZO

[CARDOZZO]

43 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

This is interesting, because while men often crave sexual attention from women, women tend to crave platonic attention. Many women feel disrespected and ignored by men unless these men find them sexually attractive or available.

Sure. It is the same dynamic. These woman that do not receive attention start to sexualize themselves on the internet then she get what she needs.

Even ugly girls have more easy than average ugly poor guys. I'm sounding like an incel right now  

I see things from a perspective of a "chad light" (yeah, on the red pill scale I am there ) man on a 3rd country.

Edited 15 hours ago by CARDOZZO

[Schizophonia]

1 minute ago, CARDOZZO said:

Sure. It is the same dynamic. These woman that do not receive attention start to sexualize themselves on the internet then she got what she needs.

Even ugly girls have more easy than average ugly poor guys. I'm sounding like an incel right now  

I see things from a perspective of a "chad light" (yeah, on the red pill scale I am there ) man on a 3rd country.

I'm coming to join you in Brazil.

To me the big butts 

[Lila9]

5 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

I think that specific kinds of man receive free attention. The other regular guys are trying to collect crumbs or trying to become like these special guys.

Social media is brutal with average man. Dating apps? Terrible.

If you lived as a regular guy on a 3rd country, you would be terrified. (low salaries, low self-esteem, poor mental health, woman do not like you, oppportunity scarcity).

I am above average, dating is not a problem. BUT you have to work to get results. 

I feel for the guys, it is sad. 

Yes, but aren’t regular guys’ standards for women too high? Especially when it comes to appearance?

And what do you mean by crumbs? What type of women would a regular guy consider as crumbs?

 

[CARDOZZO]

34 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

I'm coming to join you in Brazil.

To me the big butts 

You are welcome. Gringos are gigachads here 

[CARDOZZO]

29 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Yes, but aren’t regular guys’ standards for women too high? Especially when it comes to appearance?

And what do you mean by crumbs? What type of women would a regular guy consider as crumbs?

 

Actually, they are not good for average woman in general and they are repulsive to beautiful woman.

I mean attention crumbs. They slide on DMs, they try, try, try and nothing. They go mad. They are porn addicts.

They enter a downward spiral.

[Lila9]

18 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

Actually, they are not good for average woman in general and they are repulsive to beautiful woman.

I mean attention crumbs. They slide on DMs, they try, try, try and nothing. They go mad. They are porn addicts.

They enter a downward spiral.

I see.

But they also have standards, don’t they? They want women who put some work into themselves, who are aesthetically pleasing, who are kind and emotionally available. 

They don’t want women who neglect themselves, are addicted to alcohol and cigarettes, or have some emotional trauma. They want motherly love, but do they offer fatherly love to women? Do they accept women as they are?

 

[CARDOZZO]

Just now, Lila9 said:

I see.

But they also have standards, don’t they? They want women who put some work into themselves, who are aesthetically pleasing, who are kind and emotionally available. 

They don’t want women who neglect themselves, are addicted to alcohol and cigarettes, or have some emotional trauma. They want motherly love, but do they offer fatherly love to women? Do they accept women as they are?

 

I can't know. What I see is that these guys are desperate. If you are decent, they would beg you attention, sex and monogamy.

You can be a drug addicted emotional traumatized woman, they don't care. 

[CARDOZZO]

Decent = woman that exists + basic hygiene 

[Elliott]

3 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

Decent = woman that exists + basic hygiene 

So no house chores, no job, terrible communicator, doesn't raise kids.

Edited 14 hours ago by Elliott

[CARDOZZO]

3 minutes ago, Elliott said:

So no house chores, no job, terrible communicator, doesn't raise kids.

Sure. This is a not a problem for them. What you have to realize is that these guys are not meeting their basic sexual needs.

They are not thinking about healthy relationships.

[Elliott]

2 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

Sure. This is a not a problem for them. What you have to realize is that these guys are not meeting their basic sexual needs.

They are not thinking about healthy relationships.

You're talking about just sex, not long term relationships? We're talking about long-term relationships, starting a family.

Edited 14 hours ago by Elliott

[CARDOZZO]

Imagine:

You don't know how to count to 10 and a professor tell yourself how wonderful integral calculus is.

You don't give a fuck about it. You don't even know how to count to 10.