Are incredible men just average women?

[CARDOZZO]

Just now, Elliott said:

You're talking about just sex, not long term relationships? We're talking about long-term relationships.

How? Incels don't even have courage to talk to women.

[Elliott]

1 minute ago, CARDOZZO said:

Imagine:

You don't know how to count to 10 and a professor tell yourself how wonderful integral calculus is.

You don't give a fuck about it. You don't even know how to count to 10.

Will a guy marry, and not divorce a woman that only has basic hygiene? No chores, no job, no taking care of babies, terrible communicator?

[CARDOZZO]

The majority of people here in the forum lives on US or Europe. You are spoiled as fuck since childhood. 

The reality on a 3rd country is something really different.

You are walking on a street then you see a rich guy on a BMW. You keep walking, you see a shack with 8 kids + mom/dad living under $200/month.

[Elliott]

6 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

How? Incels don't even have courage to talk to women.

Most guys are not incels. Less than 10%

Edited 12 hours ago by Elliott

[Lila9]

3 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

I can't know. What I see is that these guys are desperate. If you are decent, they would beg you attention, sex and monogamy.

You can be a drug addicted emotional traumatized woman, they don't care. 

Hypothetically, if there is a drug-addicted woman with tons of trauma, she is slightly overweight, she was just released from prison for stealing, and she also has 1 broken tooth from a fight there, she has basic hygiene (like brushing her teeth, washing her hair, wearing clean clothes, brushing her hair) but nothing more. She has had the same clothes for 10 years and no money to buy new ones because she’s broke and a drug addict.
But she is nice and polite person overall.

If she uploads her picture to Instagram or any dating website, how many DMs from men who would treat her like a princess should she expect?

 

[CARDOZZO]

4 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Will a guy marry, and not divorce a woman that only has basic hygiene? No chores, no job, no taking care of babies, terrible communicator?

Dude, incels don't think about marriage. They don't even think that is possible to a girl liking them.

[Elliott]

Just now, CARDOZZO said:

Dude, incels don't think about marriage. They don't even think that is possible to a girl liking them.

Get off the internet

[CARDOZZO]

1 minute ago, Lila9 said:

Hypothetically, if there is a drug-addicted woman with tons of trauma, she is slightly overweight, she was just released from prison for stealing, and she also has 1 broken tooth from a fight there, she has basic hygiene (like brushing her teeth, washing her hair, wearing clean clothes, brushing her hair) but nothing more. She has had the same clothes for 10 years and no money to buy new ones because she’s broke and a drug addict.
But she is nice and polite person overall.

If she uploads her picture to Instagram or any dating website, how many DMs from men who would treat her like a princess should she expect?

 

It is all about sex.

Imagine if you put a qr code written "free sex" on the streets. They open and they see the exact description.

They will make sex with her. Man and woman works differently. As I said, woman doesn't understand male sexual drive.

[CARDOZZO]

3 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Get off the internet

Ok.

[Lila9]

3 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

It is all about sex.

Imagine if you put a qr code written "free sex" on the streets. They open and they see the exact description.

They will make sex with her. Man and woman works differently. As I said, woman doesn't understand male sexual drive.

She wants first and for-most love, fatherly love. Same like those guys you have mentioned want with the motherly love, she want them to accept her as she is, without needing to perform. Sex is included but has to be not selfish sex (like-most men offer).

What are her chances? Be realistic.

 

[CARDOZZO]

2 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

She wants first and for-most love, fatherly love. Same like those guys you have mentioned want with the motherly love, she want them to accept her as she is, without needing to perform. Sex is included but has to be not selfish sex (like-most men offer).

What are her chances? Be realistic.

 

As I said, depends with who she is relating. I think it is more easy for women (dating scene).

On other life areas, I think women suffer more than men.

Edited 12 hours ago by CARDOZZO

[Lila9]

19 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

As I said, depends with who she is relating. I think it is more easy for women (dating scene).

On other life areas, I think women suffer more than men.

She is desperate, like the guys you mentioned. She would accept any guy who gives her attention, with the hope that he would fulfill her need for unconditional fatherly love.

Assuming these guys are looking for motherly love, they are also willing to offer the same to women, right? 

What would be the rate of her romantic success with regular guys?

[CARDOZZO]

Just now, Lila9 said:

She is desperate, like the guys you mentioned. She would accept any guy who gives her attention, with the hope that he would fulfill her need for unconditional fatherly love.

Assuming these guys are looking for motherly love, they are also willing to offer the same to women, right? 

What would be the rate of her romantic success with regular guys?

I don't know. What I can say is: test for yourself.

Create fake tinder profiles of ugly/fat/strange woman and man.

See for yourself. Do not believe me.

 

[Lila9]

4 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

I don't know. What I can say is: test for yourself.

Create fake tinder profiles of ugly/fat/strange woman and man.

See for yourself. Do not believe me.

 

I know the answer. I just wanted you to admit that women don’t have it easier, but you insist that men are the ultimate victims just because they can’t get casual sex.

The sad truth is that there are plenty of women who are invisible to men, and if they ever get partnered, it is very likely to be an abusive relationship. Many women in weak and vulnerable positions in life, like being traumatized and drug addicted, attract abusive men who many times also end up killing them.

[Elliott]

37 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

As I said, depends with who she is relating. I think it is more easy for women (dating scene).

To find someone offering fatherly love, not looking for just sex?

[CARDOZZO]

Just now, Lila9 said:

I know the answer. I just wanted you to admit that women don’t have it easier, but you insist that men are the ultimate victims just because they can’t get casual sex.

What is the answer?

2 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

The sad truth is that there are plenty of women who are invisible to men, and if they ever get partnered, it is very likely to be an abusive relationship. Many women in weak and vulnerable positions in life, like being traumatized and drug addicted, attract abusive men who many times also end up killing them.

Low consciousness attracts low consciousness. It's not about gender.

Why do you hate man?

[Lila9]

Just now, CARDOZZO said:

What is the answer?

Low consciousness attracts low consciousness. It's not about gender.

Why do you hate man?

You talked about regular guys being so desperate for women’s attention that they would date a woman who is in such a low state in her life, like being a drug addict. Which is BS, because they have standards, and many times very high standards for women, but they complaim about women having standards for men too and play the victim for that. This is actually a double standard.

 

 

 

[BlueOak]

I don't know if anyone's mentioned it but you can listen to a girl without being a wet noodle or caving in to everything she says. You can give her hard advice without sounding like an ass.

You can buy her gifts without overdoing it and simping.  

You can have your own boundaries without being a control freak.

You can argue without breaking apart.

I think the world overthinks these things.

[Elliott]

5 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

You talked about regular guys being so desperate for women’s attention that they would date a woman who is in such a low state in her life, like being a drug addict. Which is BS, because they have standards, and many times very high standards for women, but they complaim about women having standards for men too and play the victim for that. This is actually a double standard.

 

 

 

I actually don't think regular guys have high standards either. I think the high standards on both sides of this conversation are internet/not real world. Guys don't care about makeup and dressing like a model.

[CARDOZZO]

4 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

You talked about regular guys being so desperate for women’s attention that they would date a woman who is in such a low state in her life, like being a drug addict. Which is BS, because they have standards, and many times very high standards for women, but they complaim about women having standards for men too and play the victim for that. This is actually a double standard.

Ok. This is not a issue that I experience personally. 

Actually, these guys hate me because I'm a "Chad" who have it "easy".

What I do know is that men are suffering, women are suffering.

Life is hard for those who are born poor, ugly, mental health issues, bad genetics.

Survival doesn't give a f*ck.