Conformity Examples Mega-Thread

[AION]

1 hour ago, Ode said:

The point of the thread is to wake people up to conformity, not to make a shopping list. The best thing to happen to someone is to read this list, get triggered because they find something from here that they do, and in some rare cases make them realize later that actually that was conformity. If you don't get triggered, then it probably means that you are not doing it solely out of conformity. I agree that this list is stupid if you take it too seriously.

For example back in the way being a hippie was non conformist while today it is conformist. That is what I mean. So it depends who you ask, in which country you are etc.  Being hippie is non conformist in Saudi Arabia while it is conformist in the US for example. 
This is counts for all types of culture. Without exceptions. 

[AION]

Liking a movie or not is just personal taste. Although taste can be influenced by peer pressure (conformity) it depends on the psychology of the person if it is just personal taste or conformity. So it is silly to say liking this movie is conformity point blank. Conformity is related to a person’s culture and him wanting to fit in. So every value system structure has its own conformity and non conformity. So the key word is conformity to - value - of a culture. 

[Leo Gura]

36 minutes ago, AION said:

back in the day being a hippie was non conformist

Being a hippie was always pretty confromist.

Counter-culture movements are conformist.

[AION]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Being a hippie was always pretty confromist.

Counter-culture movements are conformist.

It is non conformist if you ask a Christian 

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, AION said:

It is non conformist if you ask a Christian 

That isn't the right measure.

The measure is not who you ask, the measure is, Are their minds working autonomously?

Edited July 19 by Leo Gura

[AION]

53 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That isn't the right measure.

The measure is not who you ask, the measure is, Are their minds working autonomously?

Ok I get it.

I thought conformity was linked to conformity to values. But I guess this thread uses conformity more in a cognitive capacity sense.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@AION did you watch the original video Leo filmed?

 

[Leo Gura]

Conformity is just a lack of independent thinking and acting.

Thinking and doing things because others around you are.

If I taught Buddhism, that would be my conformity. Instead I teach things no Buddhist would teach.

Edited July 19 by Leo Gura

[AION]

12 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@AION did you watch the original video Leo filmed?

 

Yes, but I´m not a Leo Gurist. I´m more a Ken Wilber guy and he uses the word conformity in a different way±

Leo Gura uses "conformity" broadly as lack of autonomous/original thinking — doing/thinking things just because the group does (applies to mainstream and counter-cultures, science, spirituality, etc.). It's about cognitive dependence vs. true insight.

Ken Wilber (in Integral Theory/Spiral Dynamics) uses "conformist" more specifically for a developmental stage (Blue/Amber) — traditional rule-following, authority, and group morality that's necessary but limited.

So that is why I was confused.

Edited July 19 by AION

[iamlite]

Hippies were at least new stage of development back then. Stage Green was emerging

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@AION I guess the alternative definition presented was missed - irrespective of personal alignment 

[Human Mint]

1 hour ago, AION said:

Yes, but I´m not a Leo Gurist. I´m more a Ken Wilber guy and he uses the word conformity in a different way±

Leo Gura uses "conformity" broadly as lack of autonomous/original thinking — doing/thinking things just because the group does (applies to mainstream and counter-cultures, science, spirituality, etc.). It's about cognitive dependence vs. true insight.

Ken Wilber (in Integral Theory/Spiral Dynamics) uses "conformist" more specifically for a developmental stage (Blue/Amber) — traditional rule-following, authority, and group morality that's necessary but limited.

So that is why I was confused.

I don't see how both views contradict each other.

[AION]

4 minutes ago, Human Mint said:

I don't see how both views contradict each other.

I literally explained how they differ 🥲

[Human Mint]

@AION Yeah thanks for that.

 

[r0ckyreed]

Saying something makes sense when it doesn’t.

[Butters]

 

 

[Joseph Maynor]

Privileging intellectual artistry over other forms of artistry.  

[Butters]

Because humans have a negativity bias, they go towards groups and conformity. If everybody thought positive, there wouldn't be any. 

Example: the nation state creates a common enemy so they can go to war. Bad news resonates more than good news. 

[Heaven]

In my country buying a house is conformity. It might be a bad financial idea.

[integral]

Neutering animals.

If you remove a man's testicles, it destroys his hormone levels. It causes chronic depression and chronic health problems.

The same thing happens to animals.

Somehow this connection cannot be made by most people, because companies found a way to make a profit with group think.

Edited July 21 by integral