People are Extremely Selfish

[SimpleGuy]

13 minutes ago, bazera said:

@Leo Gura

Yeah I've been pondering that for some time, but I have one difficulty. I haven't experienced non-egoic, non-selfish pure consciousness yet, I just have my life experience so far as a reference, and I don't have much contrast between selfish and non-selfish perception. Everything is basically selfish from my POV, more or less. 

I even see my own agenda when I do "non-selfish" activity like helping others for example. 

I guess non-selfish would be something that I do that's not in relation to "me" and myself. But all I know is "me", so yeah, it's a tricky one.

I'll keep pondering.

Survival = selfishness. Check out Leo`s 3 part episode on what is survival.

[bazera]

@SimpleGuy

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Survival = selfishness. Check out Leo`s 3 part episode on what is survival.

Yea I've seen it. The tricky part is distinguishing what is survival vs what is not in every day experience.

[Alexop]

@SQAAD people like those who seriously follow and actualize what Leo teaches are doing it because at some point they suffered a lot. That suffering motivated them to finally make a serious change. It still came from selfishness, in order to escape pain. 

We all are a bunch of selfish mfs. But i get your point, we see stuff they don't and it is frustrating because the world could be so much better.

[SimpleGuy]

1 hour ago, bazera said:

@SimpleGuy

Yea I've seen it. The tricky part is distinguishing what is survival vs what is not in every day experience.

Yeah this is tricky. Although I`ve never experienced anything mystical (to me it seems so), so I can`t tell what is not survival. But it looks like that mother`s love for her baby is kinda not survival in some sense. But still I`m in doubt.

[Miguel1]

24 minutes ago, SimpleGuy said:

But it looks like that mother`s love for her baby is kinda not survival in some sense.

Psychological / ego survival for sure.

The fact of the matter is a stage yellow person is less selfish than a stage red. But he is nowhere fully selfless.

[Schizophonia]

Mirror effect 

[bazera]

@SimpleGuy

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mother`s love for her baby is kinda not survival in some sense.

I think that's a very direct example of a survival. Why do you think it's not?

[Malkom]

All people are selfish. Anyone who says they're not selfish is either deluding themselves or subconsciously covering up their selfishness with good deeds. NO Selfishness is when you REALLY sacrifice yourself. Have there been many such cases? Has there ever been one? So, think about it. Ahahaha

Anyone who says they're not selfish is probably even more selfish. I see such people on the forum.

Edited 23 hours ago by Malkom

[Malkom]

Bro, you're idealizing Leo too much (I don't mean to say anything bad), you're a little out of touch with reality.

[Hojo]

8 hours ago, SQAAD said:

 

Why is it selfishness?

You are telling people how to be. If they dont act like how you want you become resentful. What if you had a higher being telling you how to not be selfish but you didnt listen so it became resentful. That would be someone you dont want to be helping you.

Edited 23 hours ago by Hojo

[SimpleGuy]

38 minutes ago, bazera said:

@SimpleGuy

I think that's a very direct example of a survival. Why do you think it's not?

I dunno really how to explain this. I don`t think that there is only instinct like "this baby will help me when I`ll be old, dadada". But I`m not a mother so it`s hard to know for me.

[Carl-Richard]

You're focusing on a particular aspect of life, mostly due to your life situation; the lower part of the stack which we all have but which becomes more visible in some people and some situations. There are remarkable humans out there that you would consider "everyday" humans.

The passengers decided to wait to attack the hijackers until they were over a rural area. Why? To save the lives of people they did not know if they were to crash. You know another thing? They decided to cast a vote on whether to attack them or sit and wait for the odd chance that they would come out of there alive. Even in such an extreme situation, the five men who lead the charge cared about what the other passengers thought was the best idea.

And those men were also willing to risk their lives confronting the hijackers to save themselves and the plane. They were not cowards. And they were thinking clearly in a state where they were almost certain they were going to die if they did not do something. And they were so close to succeeding.

Edited 54 minutes ago by Carl-Richard

[Ishanga]

First most Everybody is Selfish.. The Mother that doesn't want her Child to Suffer is Selfish because if her Child suffers She Suffers too, and she does not want or like that, so she does what she can to make sure her child does not suffer (generally).

Every act we do is Selfish, when You open the door for a senior citizen, it helps them and makes You feel good, that is why You do it, if opening the door brought Suffering too You then You wouldn't do it!

The Solution to it all is to make Yourself what You want to Experience.. All of Us want Pleasantness as our Experience, the Sadist tortures another person because it makes them feel pleasure!  But we can determine our inner Experience, its within our power, if You take that Responsibility on and actually do it, so that Pleasurable Experience (Peace, Happiness, Joy, Bliss) is Your natural Experience, then Selfishness is no longer an issue for You, every act will be for the "other" because "What about Me" or Ego is now dissolved and no longer an issue for You!

Edited 15 hours ago by Ishanga

[SQAAD]

@Leo Gura

22 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

All negative emotional reactions are selfishness.

Why else would you have them?

You have talked about transending survival. Is that even posssible though?

Suffering and selfishness is like a law of nature. I don't ever see transcending selfishness as i don't ever see transcending the law of gravity. I can become less selfish though.

Could you talk more about that and give specific example?

[Leo Gura]

20 minutes ago, SQAAD said:

@Leo Gura

You have talked about transending survival. Is that even posssible though?

Suffering and selfishness is like a law of nature. I don't ever see transcending selfishness as i don't ever see transcending the law of gravity. I can become less selfish though.

Could you talk more about that and give specific example?

The point is to become more conscious of your mechanicalness.