Do You Feel Restored After Sleep?

[Wilhelm44]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Only if you poor.

That's the point, other civilized countries have more compassion in this regard.

[Nemra]

How much must your income be to not be considered poor in the U.S.?

Edited 3 hours ago by Nemra

[Natasha Tori Maru]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Only if you poor.

That contributes to the suckage 💀

[AION]

Income tax in most EU countries is like 37%. And in a lot of countries it even lower. 

It is not astronomically different compared to the US. Only if you earn a lot you have to pay more tax like 55% as a top earner. But you can also go to Somalia and pay 0% tax.

The EU provides an excellent market. So it makes sense you don’t just leech of the people and not give anything back to the community. 

Only high income people are taxed way higher but they get other benefits to get a certain part of their tax money back. 

The US kind of shitty if you a middle-lower class. Awful workers rights and work ethics. You work and still be homeless lmao. 

Edited 2 hours ago by AION

[HelluvaGuy]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Consider this:

Basic health insurance costs: $3000/yr at least. This is for shit doctors. The worst of the worst.

If you are healthy, you are wasting $3000/yr on that. Over 10 years that is $30,000. If you just saved that money yourself you could cover $30,000 in medical fees, which requires a pretty serious ailment.

If you are reasonably healthy insurance is stealing your money to pay for the sick and old.

And if you are in the EU, that $30,000 will be taken from your income. Unless you have a shit salary, in which case socialism is great for you! Keep on leeching!

Did your political views shift? 5 years ago you supported Bernie Sanders for president. Right now, you're sounding like a stage orange capitalist bro. 

I would certainly agree that poverty is not something one should glorify, that would be a mistake. Wealth is not inherently a bad thing. However, you veer into gross oversimplification in your discussion. Surely you would agree that:

1) Most people don't have what it takes to be a successful entrepreneur. This is not merely a question of whether a person is lazy or not, but successful entrepreneurs tend to have specific character traits that they are born with. You're the one that talks about the importance of genes all the time. 

2) You're not going to build a society filled with only entrepreneurs. You will always need policemen, firefighters, teachers etc. What, are all these people leeches because they don't earn as high a wage as you? 

[Jehovah increases]

After 8 to 10 hours, yes, I do feel rested. But I remember a German fella who only needed to sleep 2 to 4 hours a night, and he was a hard drinker of vodka. Go figure that one out, most probably freak genetics. He would have micro naps in between his drinks and whilst playing pool.

Edited 37 minutes ago by Jehovah increases