Wealth & Consciousness Are Compatible?

[How to be wise]

57 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

 if you are creative and hardworking.

But aren't these traits coming from the ego. The ego creates the illusory world 'Maya' and wants you to get lost in it.

[Carl-Richard]

16 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

But aren't these traits coming from the ego. The ego creates the illusory world 'Maya' and wants you to get lost in it.

Identifying with those traits is ego. Ego identification is ego. The illusory world exists, the ego makes you believe it is real and not an illusion. Enlightenment is breaking the belief in the illusion as real, removing identification, not removing the world. Enlightened people can be highly wordly, highly driven, highly successful, highly achievement-oriented, or they can not be. It fundamentally does not reflect their enlightenment because their enlightenment is beyond the world.

It's true that if you are identified, focusing more on worldy things instead of enlightenment could make you more egoic. But if you are enlightened, or if you do enlightenment work, that doesn't have to be the case.

Edited 2 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, How to be wise said:

But aren't these traits coming from the ego. The ego creates the illusory world 'Maya' and wants you to get lost in it.

If you want to be a bum there is no normative argument against it.

However, survival requires work no matter what. By choosing to be a bum you will suffer the consequences of that and so will society at large.

Being creative and hard working is necessary to live in a beautiful world. Otherwise you live like a bum in a shithole. If you want to live in a shithole house, city, society -- okay, go ahead. But I will not be joining you.

Having wealth means you are not a burden on others and you have the means to help others better their situations.

A bum inevitably becomes a leech on others around him, leeching off their labor. So it is not an integrous way to live.

I had a choice. I could have been a bum, or I could be creative and hard working and create Actualized.org. If I chose to be a bum then none of this would exist. Instead of helping people self-actualize I would have been a leech on others.

It all comes down to the question if: How do you want to live?

There are no objectively right or wrong answers to that question. But however you chose to live, there will be serious consequences.

Edited 33 minutes ago by Leo Gura

[Eskilon]

18 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

they can not be

So its just a genetic trait? In other words, karma? It's the reason why Buddha wasnt material and success oriented and Leo is?

[Vibes]

What does Member P3 mean?

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Vibes

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

Vegas is a bum city

[How to be wise]

@Vibes I was banned from the politics subforum a year ago

@Leo Gura Please be kind and end my long exile 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by How to be wise

[UnbornTao]

Quote

"How many Rolls-Royces are enough?"

- Osho

 

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Disclaimer: not an actual quote from him (as far as I know).

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

If you want to be a bum there is no normative argument against it.

However, survival requires work no matter what. By choosing to be a bum you will suffer the consequences of that and so will society at large.

Being creative and hard working is necessary to live in a beautiful world. Otherwise you live like a bum in a shithole. If you want to live in a shithole house, city, society -- okay, go ahead. But I will not be joining you.

Having wealth means you are not a budren on others and you have the means to help others better their situations.

A bum inevitably becomes a leech on others around him, leeching off their labor. So it is not an integrous way to live.

I had a choice. I could have been a bum, or I could be creative and hard working and create Actualized.org. If I chose to be a bum then none of this would exist. Instead of helping people self-actualize I would have been a leech on others.

It all comes down to the question if: How do you want to live?

There are no objectively right or wrong answers to that question. But however you chose to live, there will be serious consequences.

A person with a positive belief system will automatically be creative and vice versa.

Edited 51 minutes ago by Schizophonia

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Eskilon said:

So its just a genetic trait? In other words, karma? It's the reason why Buddha wasnt material and success oriented and Leo is?

Not just genetic. Leo have to stop presenting his brown-pilled view of genetics. Nothing is "just genetic" except e.g. Huntington's disease or eye color (but that is also highly simplified). Karma, yes. Karma is just another word for "it is what it is" or Newton's third law or physics. But Leo is not akin to Buddha. He's more akin to Plato, or Newton, or Leonardo da Vinci.

Edited 36 minutes ago by Carl-Richard