Wealth & Consciousness Are Compatible?

[SimpleGuy]

Is it really possible to become wealthy and still stay truthful to yourself and conscious?

What does it really takes to do that?

 

[LordFall]

Of course. Most business is about solving people's problems. The profit motive can corrupt that but if you're in general a high quality thinker and problem solver there are endless ways to money through that skillset. 

[Leo Gura]

Possible but unusual.

[Bjorn K Holmstrom]

This is one of the hardest questions. I think it's possible, but not in the way people usually think. I just contemplated this a few days ago, as a what-if, if I would start earning money, what would I do.

A trap might be believing our own willpower is enough. Money can change your nervous system, it can make you risk-averse and starts bending your decisions toward protecting wealth instead of purpose. 

A way I developed that could work is to build external structures before you have the wealth:

Automate giving (do 40% off the top of any big inflow)

Create a 'pod' of people who can veto your financial decisions

Legally pre-commit that 90%+ goes back to commons when you die

It's not about being a 'good person' with money. It's about building the plumbing so the money can flow through you instead of pooling and poisoning you. The goal shifts from 'being wealthy' to 'being a useful conduit.' Otherwise, you end up contributing to the very inequality you probably wanted to solve, just by following the default logic of the system.

The might be other ways but, yeah... it's unusually hard. The system is designed to capture you.

Edited November 26, 2025 by Bjorn K Holmstrom

[aurum]

3 hours ago, SimpleGuy said:

What does it really takes to do that?

Insane vision, ambition, patience, leadership and consciousness.

Almost no one will truly do it.

[Leo Gura]

How wealthy are you talking about?

And really the biggest thing it takes is caring about truth in the first place.

[UnbornTao]

If by "wealthy" you mean extremely rich, I'd say not really. Culture as a whole doesn't stand in favor of "consciousness," and appealing to the masses tends to water the spirit of the work down. Because, for the most part, no one gives a hoot about what's true. You could draw a correlation between poverty and consciousnes.

[LordFall]

@UnbornTao Absolutely untrue and this is a huge stage green shadow IMO.

Poverty is not a virtue. Nor is weakness nor lack of competence. If you agree on my premise that wealth is made by providing scalable solutions to people's problems then of course you can do that in a conscious or unconscious way but glorifying piety is a massive spiritual trap. 

How can you sell to me that you being unable to help your fellow humans is you having an unusually high level of consciousness? Laughable concept. 

Tony Robins talks a lot about this concept where poor people use their lack of success as virtue signaling but usually is a shadow that hides if anything lower levels of development. 

[Schizophonia]

People are more likely to be mentally ill, or more simply impulsive and antisocial when they are socially disadvantaged.

[UnbornTao]

On 11/26/2025 at 10:09 PM, LordFall said:

@UnbornTao Absolutely untrue and this is a huge stage green shadow IMO.

Poverty is not a virtue. Nor is weakness nor lack of competence. If you agree on my premise that wealth is made by providing scalable solutions to people's problems then of course you can do that in a conscious or unconscious way but glorifying piety is a massive spiritual trap. 

How can you sell to me that you being unable to help your fellow humans is you having an unusually high level of consciousness? Laughable concept. 

Tony Robins talks a lot about this concept where poor people use their lack of success as virtue signaling but usually is a shadow that hides if anything lower levels of development. 

It was said semi-jokingly, but consider: What are extremely rich people actually up to, in the end?

What we, as people, are up to is survival - fulfilling our own agendas, getting what we want, persisting as our selves, and so on. In a so-called spiritual context, this might involve making others feel good or validated. Nothing inherently wrong with that, but it's fundamentally different from the pursuit of truth, which is often seen as worthless or useless - and frequently threatening to one's current sense of self and reality.

I agree with you to a point, since I'm talking about teaching or facilitating people. You could be the CEO of Whole Foods, for example, and that would be fine from the perspective of "conscious business." But that's not what I mean. Facilitating consciousness is more difficult than selling a bill of goods, because the former isn't subject to fantasy. That alone already excludes most people from participating.

Consider why the more profound episodes of Leo tend to get fewer views. A video on getting laid gets far more attention than one that genuinely contemplates what reality is, without any fuss. This doesn't seem random. Broadly speaking, as a culture - or even as a species - we couldn't care less about the truth. We'd rather have our beliefs validated.

Perhaps it's a bit like comparing McDonald's with a local place that values craft over convenience.

Jesus's quote shines a light on this condition. What I suspect he was really pointing to is greed: "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven." Not to get moralistic about it, though. Money!

Edited November 29, 2025 by UnbornTao

[SimpleGuy]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

How wealthy are you talking about?

And really the biggest thing it takes is caring about truth in the first place.

I`m talking about either making at least 30k per month or making millions per month, like some Zuckerberg.

[Davino]

11 minutes ago, SimpleGuy said:

I`m talking about either making at least 30k per month or making millions per month, like some Zuckerberg.

Why do you want to be wealthy?

Why do you want to be Awake?

[gettoefl]

Wealth needn't corrupt. It's poverty you have to worry about. Becoming poor you haven't a chance at truth. Poverty makes you brain dead. Just look at a monk. Never had an original thought.

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, SimpleGuy said:

I`m talking about either making at least 30k per month or making millions per month, like some Zuckerberg.

Zuckerberg makes billions per month.

[Ramasta9]

True wealth is the freedom, health, resources, and inner capacity to live fully, pursue what matters, and remain at peace regardless of circumstance.

We have to be cautious how we use and define the word wealth, because we are programming within ourselves a false idea most of the time. Believe me, some of the poorest people in the world, all they have is money.

And when you can grasp this properly, you'll understand what wealth truly is. Your frequency is your true currency.

 

Edited November 27, 2025 by Ramasta9

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

How wealthy are you talking about?

And really the biggest thing it takes is caring about truth in the first place.

Seems like it is a completely different thing altogether, neutral to the concept of truth. For example, what does running a fast food chain have to do with valuing or not valuing truth? You’d simply be focused on providing a particular value in the form of fast food. Nobody is pretending it’s super healthy, so no lies are being spread. It says nothing about your integrity or your understanding of reality.

[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

For example, what does running a fast food chain have to do with valuing or not valuing truth?

Quite a lot, actually. If you really valued truth you would not be creating cheap, gross fast food to maximize profit.

Edited November 27, 2025 by Leo Gura

[SimpleGuy]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Quite a lot, actually. If you really valued truth you would not be creating cheap, gross fast food to maximize profit.

Why so? Because you understand that fast food is bad for health, thus you understand that you undermine health of others or what?

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Quite a lot, actually. If you really valued truth you would not be creating cheap, gross fast food to maximize profit.

You can be aware that this food is not the pinnacle of health and still run a business selling it. Also, if it were gross, people wouldn’t eat it. Just like you said about sugar, it’s all about the quantities you eat, not just the quality. And McDonald’s, for example, isn’t all that bad if you mostly stick to salads and breakfast menus

[Jannes]

10 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

You can be aware that this food is not the pinnacle of health and still run a business selling it.

Not consciously though, you would have some kind of excuse. 

10 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Also, if it were gross, people wouldn’t eat it. 

 

10 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

And McDonald’s, for example, isn’t all that bad if you mostly stick to salads and breakfast menus

 

Wtf am I reading.