Noam Chomsky was friends with Jeffrey Epstein

[Thought Art]

@Hojo Nah, I’m fine with there being a clinical definition and then a colloquial use in culture. 

Edited yesterday at 07:42 AM by Thought Art

[Apparition of Jack]

Didnt Jeffrey Epstein assault girls who were like 13 and 14?

Whether that meets the strictest definition of “pedophile” or not feels irrelevant to me; these girls were for all intents and purposes children who being were preyed upon and abused by full adult males for their own sexual gratification.

Like, this isn’t a case of an 18 year old sleeping with a 16 year old going to the same school - it was almost textbook definition rape/predation/child molestation. How many women alive today are still living with the trauma of what Epstein and his cabal did to them? Some have even taken their own lives. 
 

I do agree sexual ethics is complicated and we’ve kind of loss some of the nuance of consent, intimacy and legality in favour of just “icky vibes”, but this wasn’t icky vibes. This was genuinely human evil manifest. If you wrote a Hollywood spy movie of a guy uncovering what Jeffrey Epstein did it would be criticised for being “too unrealistic.” 

[Hojo]

@Thought Art the clinical definition dosent match their actions. So you aren't. They aren't having sex with pre pubescent.

Edited yesterday at 05:30 AM by Hojo

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Didnt Jeffrey Epstein assault girls who were like 13 and 14?

Sounds like a hebephile to me. Not paedophile 

Your avatar change got me - almost choked on my food

 

[Thought Art]

@Hojo Man, make the distinction. They are under 18 but older than say, 12. 
 

18 is adult. 

 

So they are under aged girls. Likely, the technical term would be hebephile. technically not pedophilia. 
 

But, colloquially people just call anything under aged pedophile. People don’t in common speech make clinical distinctions between hebephiles and pedophiles. 

So, I am fine with people using that term colloquially, or clinically. 
 

18 year olds are adults. Which is what you were trying to say before makes you a pedo (when used colloquially), but it doesn’t because they are legally adults. 

Like, are you just being stubborn or or are you struggling with making distinctions here? It isn’t that complicated. 
 

I sense you literally just didn’t understand my previous comment…..

Edited yesterday at 07:44 AM by Thought Art

[Hojo]

@Thought Art your saying there is a distinction between 11 and under being a pedophile that fine but then you are also okay calling them pedophiles when they are having sex with girls that are older. I'm not being contradictive here you are. You want to call them pedophiles but also say that having sex with someone older than 12 isn't a pedophile. I understood what you said but you are saying both things at the same time.

You are saying before puberty is pedophiles and after puberty is also pedophiles therefore making your definition run under tha blanket child. ( younger that 18) if that's the cause you are a pedophile too.

You want it both ways while also not including yourself so you gish galloping around the definitions.

The collective term means everyone  attractive under 18 ( the hot ones)that you are sexually attracted too ( which is not under your control) makes you a pedophile. You want the definition of pre pubescent and the definition of after puberty while excluding yourself from it.

I don't care about heeby  geeby  philes its either pre pubescent which makes epstein non pedophiles or after puberty which makes you one also.

I don't know why there are so many different terms for fucking kids its weird. 15 types of kid fuckers. More types of child molesters than personality types.

If you ever found a 17 year and 11 months old sexually attractive you are definitionally a pedophile so just say I am whats the big deal.

Woke mind virus is the big deal.

Edited yesterday at 08:42 AM by Hojo

[Leo Gura]

This thread has turned cringe. Please stop.

[Thought Art]

@Hojo No man. You say those things. You are struggling 😂. In terms of definitions what I am saying is true. The ability to handle nuance is important. 
 

Anyway, cringe police 👮 

@Leo Gura My bad. I got caught up in the distinctions of terms, definitions etc. It’s interesting to explore language, distinction and sense making…., however with this subject yeah it is cringe from the beginning.

When discussing the Epstein situation these are conversations that do come up. We as a culture don’t know how to talk about this. Conflict, confusion, negative emotions are natural and healthy. Also, knowing when to stop talking about it. 
 

Protecting teens and kids is obviously the right thing to do. These people like Epstein are abusers of minors and should be brought to justice. 

Edited yesterday at 11:16 AM by Thought Art

[Leo Gura]

It's not complicated. Don't fuck people under the law.

[Apparition of Jack]

7 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Your avatar change got me - almost choked on my food

 

I’m like a ghost 👀 a very soyboy ghost 

[Thought Art]

19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It's not complicated. Don't fuck people under the law.

Yeah, that is simple. But discussing whether or not Epstein is a pedophile is actually not as easy to discuss. The disgusting breaking of the law and harming of minors is obvious but the definitions of words we use is confusing. Which is what I was trying to explain. 
 

Anyway, fine u you talk about cringe things but not us just saying. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Thought Art

[LordFall]

What's perhaps more interesting is discussing the psychology of these people that are plenty powerful and have access to sexual opportunities with adults but choose to engage with minors and/or conduct sexual assault and impose themselves on unwilling participants. A lot of the accusations especially regarding Trump are along those lines like the accusations from E. Jean Carroll and others. 

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Thought Art said:

But discussing whether or not Epstein is a pedophile is actually not as easy to discuss.

I don't know how much clearer a pedophile case can get. Read Epstein's birthday book. Dude was as clear a pedo as it gets, and everyone in his inner circle knew it.

Edited 5 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Basman]

3 hours ago, LordFall said:

What's perhaps more interesting is discussing the psychology of these people that are plenty powerful and have access to sexual opportunities with adults but choose to engage with minors and/or conduct sexual assault and impose themselves on unwilling participants. A lot of the accusations especially regarding Trump are along those lines like the accusations from E. Jean Carroll and others. 

A part of why criminal sex is conducted among elite circles is so it can be secretly recorded and be used as blackmail. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a video in some harddrive somewhere of Trump having sex with a minor at a sex party. Maybe why Trump is so beholdent to Israel, among other reasons. Epstein could've used his sex trafficking ring to gain blackmail material on all kinds of people for Mossad. It was an asset. I believe P. Diddy had a huge amount of secret cameras in his mansion for similair reasons.

It's also because you can. You can get used to indulging certain kinds of fetishes even though you know it's hurting people, but you still do it because it makes you 10x harder and it's all you can fantasize about. Epstein is smart enough to know what he is doing is hurting people. He might even once have been both disturbed and aroused by it at the same time but eventually got used to it, and was (for the most part) too powerful to not get away with it. When your free from consequences, your free to not care. This is true for everyone, like common folk throwing trash into bushes.

Edited 3 hours ago by Basman

[Ajay0]

Prince Andrew who is second in line to the british throne was also good friends with Epstein. Due to accusations and photographic evidence, Andrew however is now in a lot of trouble.

It appears that Epstein cunningly created a social circle of high-profile figures around him to insulate him from any potential issues. 

Bill Clinton during his presidency and after that as well had a good relationship with Epstein. There has been no accusations and allegations against Clinton though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_of_Bill_Clinton_and_Jeffrey_Epstein