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Noam Chomsky was friends with Jeffrey Epstein

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On 23.11.2025 at 4:11 PM, Hojo said:

How do we know that these mails are legitimate and not just written documents by anyone?


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An 18-year-old girl's body can be insanely attractive. When I was 26, I practiced game a lot and ended up closing an 18-year-old who was insanely hot (8,5/10 overall and a 9,5/10 body). She looked and acted older. I was expecting her to be 22, but after I closed (we had sex), she said she was 18; I was surprised because her behavior (the way she moved and interacted) was that of a grown woman. She is still insanely hot to me today (33) and to any grown man, nothing you can do about it, call it what you want. 


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@Miguel1 Yeah, well. Calling me delusional is insulting. It’s not a constructive form of communication when you suggest delusion or low intelligence. Its not a big deal. 🤝 

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@Thought Art @Miguel1 My comment below resolves the apparent difference you guys have. Age is too arbitrary a line to draw on the complexity of reality.

2 hours ago, zazen said:

 

If two high schoolers have consensual sex - one of them is a day over the age of 18 after their birthday, the other is just a day away from turning 18 themselves - is it immoral? It’s still illegal according to law - standardization creates such edge cases.

The law is intended obviously to protect against much wider age gaps that create power asymmetries where exploitation happens. Yet, there can still be two legal adults with a wide power asymmetry (that oddly created the attraction in the first place). A 20 year old “legal adult” and a 40 year old “legal adult” ie Leo Di Caprio dating young women. Both are legal adults consenting - but the asymmetry is massive in who has the years of experience, status and power that comes with all that.

It comes down to maturity - physical, emotional and psychological. Not just an arbitrary (yet protective) line drawn in the sand along just the simplest to measure metric ie age. When someone’s biologically mature -  they should be mentally and emotionally mature for the responsibilities  that come along with the act and its consequences.

Legality doesn’t equal moral symmetry.  And standardization draws a blunt line to protect society, but it flattens nuance at the same time.

Where the guy in the above video is wrong though is that he says Aisha married that young because she was intellectually and emotionally mature for her age ie the exception - but that wasn't the case at the time of marriage. Who she married most likely aided in her becoming exceptional later. She became a prodigy because of the environment and role she grew into.

Still - this wasn't a case of pedophilia either, because the Prophet didn't have a psychological fixation or pattern of predation upon the young and “pure”. Most of his wifeys were older, divorced or widowed. Aisha was the exception as daughter of one of his closest companions who entrusted him. It was a norm of the time the Prophet was acting within in pre-modern society. 

Power asymmetry is the thing modern ethics condemns - yet isn’t it power asymmetry that fuels the attraction in the first place? Models date Leo because of it - not despite it.  The attraction of human nature is drawn to inequality - but our liberalised worldview of equality psychologically resists that fact. This is why Leo’s case makes many uncomfortable and is debated.

To get around all this the loophole of consent is used to sanitize the inequality, not eliminate it. But then - consent requires maturity (capacity) as a pre-requisite. And maturity is difficult to quantify - so society defaults to “if they consent it’s fine - and we assume the capacity for consent is there once they cross the age of 16, 18 etc”.

The line (standard) is needed for society to run at scale smoothly - but that line in turn influences society to think linearly and without nuance.

 

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@zazen That’s a fair point. 


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@Thought Artrecognizing the attraction is pedophile

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@Hojo Nope. 👎 18 year olds are adults. Very different than a 7 year old child.

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@Thought Art im not saying it English is saying it. You say no like you can just make up what you want. Its not my opinion.

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@Hojo Where in English? Pedo means attraction to pre-pubescent children. What are you talking about? Literally just look at the basic definition man!

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@Thought ArtI looked at the them and it says nothing about pre pubesent. Did you look at it? Im not calling you a pedophile your government is.

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@Hojo Thé définition I just pulled up which is also common sense: 

 

« A pedophile is an adult who experiences a persistent sexual attraction to prepubescent children, typically defined as children under about 11–13 years old, depending on developmental stage. »


It’s also common knowledge 18 year olds are LEGALLY adults.

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@Thought ArtIf you use that definition, which is fine, then jerrefry epstein and his cronies are not pedophiles or theres no evidence.

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@Hojo Perhaps as a culture we are using it colloquially when it comes to Epstein. He clearly was engaged in human trafficking of underaged girls. 

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@Thought ArtThen call him a pimp.


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@Hojo preach to the world. Except they weren’t adults they were all under 18z pedophile is a fine term used loosely for under 18

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@Thought ArtThen we go back to the definition of pedophile being sexually attracted to someone under 18 which all men are to an extent so all men are pedophiles. Wheter you engage with it or not is called pedophilia. So you can say they engage in pedophilia but you would still be a pedophile.

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