Is wage slavery always bad?

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

If I were him I would charge 10$ per month for his forum.

Is that the only way you will be able to cease your addiction to it.? Seems like you need an incentive to stop logging in. I'm also going by your previous posts.

[Cubbage]

2 hours ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

YouTube pays incredibly well

I wish

[Schizophonia]

6 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Is that the only way you will be able to cease your addiction to it.? Seems like you need an incentive to stop logging in. I'm also going by your previous posts.

I said that because it would allow Leo to make more money and get rid of people who have no interest in being here. I'd say $5 seems fairer in the end.

Yes I'm a bit addicted but it won't last; very soon I won't be here at all.

So take advantage of me while I'm here. 

Edited November 29 by Schizophonia

[How to be wise]

11 hours ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

YouTube pays incredibly well especially for longer format videos. But I’m not sure he is monetizing them

I doubt with the views that Leo is getting that he is being paid well by YouTube

[How to be wise]

11 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

If I were him I would charge 10$ per month for his forum.

That is how to end this forum 

[Schizophonia]

58 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

That is how to end this forum 

If people are not ready to pay that for your service it means it worths nothing.

This is the average price of a McDiabete menu.

Edited November 29 by Schizophonia

[Princess Arabia]

6 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

I said that because it would allow Leo to make more money and get rid of people who have no interest in being here. I'd say $5 seems fairer in the end.

Yes I'm a bit addicted but it won't last; very soon I won't be here at all.

So take advantage of me while I'm here. 

Be careful, lots have said the same thing about not being here and they left and came right back. This is not a brick and mortar building, it's the internet and takes nothing but the click of a button. You speak as if it's some monstrous addictive place that's to be avoided. It's only a forum.

[Schizophonia]

30 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Be careful, lots have said the same thing about not being here and they left and came right back. This is not a brick and mortar building, it's the internet and takes nothing but the click of a button. You speak as if it's some monstrous addictive place that's to be avoided. It's only a forum.

lol the Actualized loop.

 

This is only a pistol; piece of steel.

boom

You're dead

[Basman]

On 11/27/2025 at 6:13 PM, Bjorn K Holmstrom said:

What would change if we could separate survival security from work requirements?

It's more aboug leverage than guarantee in my opinion. Social services like subsidiced health care, education, etc. gives people more autonomy. 

Some kind of UBI can also contribute to this, but it doesn't need to guarantee a comfortable life. If you can afford to live inside of a closet on just UBI, then that's sufficient in my opinion. 

[Basman]

Welfare solutions to a certain extend subsidize for an individualized society. Tight knit communities combine resources effectively which can supplant the need for government allocated resources up to a certain degree.

It's through tight knit communities that humans survive in the absence of a government authority. Our thinking relative to collective survival is highly individualized, though there exists alternatives. Individualism doesn't seem perfectly suistanable to me.

Edited November 29 by Basman

[Lyubov]

It's not bad or good. I think it comes down to what you want, where you are at, your current skills and a little but of good old fashion luck. If you have a job you hate, align with your passions and move towards something better, ride those waves and look for ways to find new opportunities and learn new skills. Separate money from your LP. Sometimes the best thing you can do is take the financial expectations off the stuff you love and let them breathe. You can always find ways to align money with your passions when you have a solid foundation. I deal with clients in my work and am completely self employed, I also am able to support myself, but it is a lot of work honestly and can be a bit of challenge sometimes where I need to take some time to help myself through coping with and accepting that this is where I'm at. It's better than what a lot of other people have and comes with some great perks. So I do see the honor in it and that I am doing something positive. I also have my own dreams, I'm a dreamer. And I put energy into them, I believe they will lead me to where I need to be. Ideally if you are focused and taking responsibility for your life, accepting what is and setting intentions aligned with your highest joys I believe you can live an abundant life where you will always ave what you need in that moment. I hope my dreams will come true and will do my best to achieve them honestly. 

Edited November 29 by Lyubov

[Entrepreneur]

On 11/25/2025 at 7:19 PM, Daniel Balan said:

Guys, Y'all are outrageously disconnected from how brutal and hard survival is! The only reason why you use words such as "ambition" and "wage slavery" is because you all are starting on the shoulders of giants! Your food, your shelter, your heating in the winter, your clothes etc are provided to you basically for free. Litteraly for free. Do you realize how hard you would have to work only to be able to produce the ammount of food for just one meal? Do you realize how much labour and toil would be necessary to create your own clothes, to create the constitution material such as wood, bricks, iron rods etc? You would need like ten lifetimes to build just the construction materials for your house, let alone to assemble it all together into creating the house. Do you realize how hard it is in the forest, cutting down beech trees, bucking them into smaller fragments, manhandling them into your horse drawn cart, and carrying the wood for like 50 miles from the forest to your house so that you can keep warm during the winter? 

Guys, seriously, you all need some brutal contact with reality, because as far as I can see, you lost all touch with how brutal survival is!

I love this post!

When I was a kid, my school bus would drive past my grandparents' farm.  My 70-something widow grandmother would be outside splitting wood by hand so that she had heat for that big old farmhouse and fuel for her wood cookstove to cook meals with.   Some of the kids on the bus would make cracks about her as they watched this wrinkled face, tiny old woman swing her splitting maul over a block of wood and send the split pieces flying in opposite directions.   This is the curse of living in a first-world country that has seen immense technological progress.   We take things for granted and don't realize how good we've got it compared to most of the rest of humanity.

You could call your work "wage slavery".  By adopting that paradigm you may envision it as something you are being forced to do by some evil entity.  Or you could call it an "income opportunity" where you can earn an above-average wage, have plenty of time off, and work with people who are relatively easy to get along with.    

Just imagine if you had to get home from your "wage slavery job" and you still had to do everything else that these earlier generations had to do just to have food in their bellies and heat in their homes.   Instead, many of us just pay peanuts to have all those other things delivered to us and think about how we are still "unfulfilled" in our lives and how unfair it is that we are "forced" to work for someone else to be able to afford them.   We are spoiled.  On average, we have conditioned ourselves to become mental, emotional, and physical pussies compared to those previous generations.

Just imagine all of the things we all probably take for granted.

What phrase do you suppose those previous generations used to describe all the other work they had to do just to survive, in addition to whatever work they did to get paid for?   Did they call that "slavery" or did they just call it "life"?

What should we call it when we have to do our laundry, cook a meal, wash the dishes afterward, make the bed, mow the lawn, etc?   Why is the work we get paid to do called "slavery" compared to all the other work we have to do that pays us no money?  What is that work called?   Isn't all this other work (we must also do) even worse than our day jobs, since we don't get paid for it?   What do you call work that is even worse than slavery?

Maybe using the phrase "wage slavery" to describe blue and white collar jobs in a first-world country is the wrong phrase?

 

[Daniel Balan]

35 minutes ago, Entrepreneur said:

I love this post!

When I was a kid, my school bus would drive past my grandparents' farm.  My 70-something widow grandmother would be outside splitting wood by hand so that she had heat for that big old farmhouse and fuel for her wood cookstove to cook meals with.   Some of the kids on the bus would make cracks about her as they watched this wrinkled face, tiny old woman swing her splitting maul over a block of wood and send the split pieces flying in opposite directions.   This is the curse of living in a first-world country that has seen immense technological progress.   We take things for granted and don't realize how good we've got it compared to most of the rest of humanity.

You could call your work "wage slavery".  By adopting that paradigm you may envision it as something you are being forced to do by some evil entity.  Or you could call it an "income opportunity" where you can earn an above-average wage, have plenty of time off, and work with people who are relatively easy to get along with.    

Just imagine if you had to get home from your "wage slavery job" and you still had to do everything else that these earlier generations had to do just to have food in their bellies and heat in their homes.   Instead, many of us just pay peanuts to have all those other things delivered to us and think about how we are still "unfulfilled" in our lives and how unfair it is that we are "forced" to work for someone else to be able to afford them.   We are spoiled.  On average, we have conditioned ourselves to become mental, emotional, and physical pussies compared to those previous generations.

Just imagine all of the things we all probably take for granted.

What phrase do you suppose those previous generations used to describe all the other work they had to do just to survive, in addition to whatever work they did to get paid for?   Did they call that "slavery" or did they just call it "life"?

What should we call it when we have to do our laundry, cook a meal, wash the dishes afterward, make the bed, mow the lawn, etc?   Why is the work we get paid to do called "slavery" compared to all the other work we have to do that pays us no money?  What is that work called?   Isn't all this other work (we must also do) even worse than our day jobs, since we don't get paid for it?   What do you call work that is even worse than slavery?

Maybe using the phrase "wage slavery" to describe blue and white collar jobs in a first-world country is the wrong phrase?

 

Great post! Finally someone here than understands and sees life through similar lenses as me. 

Nothing is wage slavery, slavery is when you are sick and unable to work. Only illness can enslave oneself. If you have a working healthy body, you are a king.