Dating as a low value man is inevitably painful

[Tenebroso]

3 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Women get passively rejected by men every day. The tall one, the fat one, the ugly one, the small boob one, the buff teeth one, the pimpled up one, the very large waisted one, the very small butt one with no shape one, I can go on.... Pick the one you don't want and are not attracted to. If I can recall, you even had a post about a female you were talking to but didn't feel attraction to. Nothing wrong, just saying rejection galore on the female side, it's just they're not being told right to their faces 'no thanks'. 

 

All those women have far more options than the average man. Every woman regardless of size, shape, race, background, style, personality will be able to attract partners, they will at least be someone's type but the same is not true for men. Many men are no woman's type regardless of how kind, emotionally available and safe we make a woman feel.

[Tenebroso]

13 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Now you want to make it about you and how hard it is to get a woman to say yes for you just approaching them with no incentive to say yes and come on a forum and write how women don't even know how hard it is while the women have to worry about safety, who just wants to get in her pants and her pants alone, if he's a dick or a psychopathic loser philanderer, misogynist, have to vet and make sure he is who he says he is as far as not being a rapist or that he's not actually married or already taken, and these are just some issues women have to contend with before even getting to know the man and is in the initial stage. If you ask me a little rejection or a lot of rejection seems better to deal with than the mental strains of all I mentioned and more. 

The men who are most likely to harm women are not  the ones struggling to date. Misogynistic, psychopathic, philanderer's who just want to get in a woman's pants are not the ones struggling to date in 2025 going into 2026. These are real concerns but my observation is that the worst a man is the MORE he attract women even after he is exposed and known for his behaviour so it's hard to believe that women are filtering for these qualities. It seems red flags are overlooked if a man is hot or high status and then women blame men who can't even get a date for things other men are doing.

[LordFall]

@Lyubov The main alternative is economic empowerment, that was my point with this post.

@Leo Gura I'm not speaking for myself I do very well with women I've been into game for half my life. I'm just commenting on the quality of the discourse I see online which is very low. 

Edited 8 hours ago by LordFall

[AION]

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

 Excuse me What's wrong with being a pretty girl or a gay man ? Dude watch the shit you post. 

Ok boss girl

[Miguel1]

What you guys don’t realize is that while girls can get guys and partners much easier, most of the guys are repulsive.

I am like a girl in the sense that having people attracted to me and wanting to be with me is fairly easy. But majority of them are repulsive and don’t excite me.

Top with it the fact that I am relatively pretty developed psychologically and spiritually, and now even the more attractive girls easily turn me off mentally.

Being aware of their unconsciousness and childhisness makes me feel like hanging out with most of them like a complete waste of energy and time, and leaves me feeling shallow and empty afterwards.

It’s like having millions and spending it on alcohol and partying with unconscious egos. What are you left feeling afterwards, when all settles down?

Talk about humble brag. My God, I sound like a narcissist. Perhaps I am 

So guys or girls, you need to develop yourself to becoming truly desiresble, ar a core level - and not just someone others use to feed their ego.

Edited 7 hours ago by Miguel1

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Miguel1 no, not a narcissist ❤️

I think you just see the other perspective due to your unique experience!

[Princess Arabia]

4 hours ago, Tenebroso said:

All those women have far more options than the average man.

Options for what. I'm tired of explaining this. Guy sees girl, likes what he sees...boom...it's on, let me try and get her. Woman sees man...nothing really tickles much until she gets to know him even if for a few then she gets tickled, that takes time. Options for men are in galore because all he has to do is leave his house and he'll see plenty of attractive women. For women, except for in the bars and night clubs and drunk scenes, cannot see the options just by looking, men can. On top of that, many men are already assholes and dickheads by default and she can't tell that just by him saying hello 'hello'. WOMEN DO NOT HAVE MORE OPTIONS FOR DATING, THEY GET MORE CAT CALLS AND ARE APPROACHED MORE....doesn't mean a thing. 

[Princess Arabia]

4 hours ago, Tenebroso said:

These are real concerns but my observation is that the worst a man is the MORE he attract women even after he is exposed and known for his behaviour so it's hard to believe that women are filtering for these qualities.

Maybe these women are traumatized, dysfunctional and have low-self esteem. Not all women are like this and not even most. I won't deny the bad boy thing being attractive and all but a rapist, misogynist and woman beater and abuse r aren't being saught after by the average woman and those don't carry an air of adventure and fun with them. The bad boy syndrome does and maybe a philanderer or a guy like Andrew Tate but not worse as in murderer or rapist and to that extreme. 

 

[Miguel1]

9 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

they're looking for who they want to choose to be their leader

Literally what I said. Women desire to follow, the right man, who is worthy of following, aka someone who is mentally strong and confident, and can lead.

[Schizophonia]

Women, even attractive women, can have problems finding love depending on their belief system; I have plenty of examples.

 

[Schizophonia]

40 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

Literally what I said. Women desire to follow, the right man, who is worthy of following, aka someone who is mentally strong and confident, and can lead.

A man can be sensitive, and there are plenty of women and (passive) gay men confident and all what you want. Masculinity, masculine magnetism and cie operates on an even deeper level.
 

Answer in my next post.

Autistic face

Edited 1 hour ago by Schizophonia

[Natasha Tori Maru]

29 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Women, even attractive women, can have problems finding love depending on their belief system; I have plenty of examples.

Yep.

One I faced many times: being attractive naturally attracts men who value that. And do not value who you are as a person. So all your worth to them is based on your attractiveness. So there is an enforced inherent clinging to the physical and maintaining it. And the burden of that attachment and attempt to maintain it is immense; women age. All flowers die and return to the earth. Body changes, skin changes. Resisting this is terrible. 

Men who do not think they are of equal attractiveness will filter themselves out and never approach due to their own inherent belief they are 'not attractive enough'. But the irony is - they stand more of a chance to see me for who I really am beyond the illusion of the body.

Overall men and women have their own challenges - and ones suffering cannot be compared.

I think it is a shame to try to minimise another's suffering. Man or woman.