I don't care what people say, women DO NOT like masculine men

[EternalForest]

Masculine men speak like MEN.

Yet a man cannot talk to a woman like a man and succeed.

I can say this from experience as a masculine man, trying to talk and build relationships with dozens of women, at the end of the day I'm always called a heartless robot or "boring". 

Despite the fact I talk to men and women the same for potential friendships (and with women, even potential relationships).

With men, without even trying, I make small talk which leads to a full conversation.

While with women, despite my hardest efforts, I get no engagement.

But I guarantee you if I made myself more feminine with those same girls, things would be different. Because in my experience, women only respond to feminine energy, from men and otherwise.

The problem is, I am not capable of supplying them with said energy, despite the fact I'm a creative person myself and I'm very emotional on the inside, not the outside.

Why?

Is it a flaw with my personality or myself? 

I don't know if I'd say that, because I have so many loyal male friends who love and care about me, let me talk about anything, give me a ride when I'm stranded, pick up the tab when I'm short on money, talk to me for 3-6 hours about even the most "frivolous" or "childish" topics, and allow me to be unfiltered. These are not shallow or childish relationships, they are true brotherly bonds. And I'm allowed to be myself around them, fully.

In contrast, if I talk to a woman long enough, there's a guaranteed chance that I will offend her and she will stop talking to me.

A masculine man by himself, I believe, is actually repulsive to women.

When a woman sees a masculine man, really sees him:

His love of games is seen as childish.
His passion for fighting or hunting will be seen as violent (or Stage Red around these parts)
His bluntness is seen as rude.
His logic is seen as cold.
His verbal passion for his car comes off as boring.
His encyclopedic knowledge about sports comes off as frivolous.
His passion for chess comes off as nerdy.
His passion for old school values comes off as obsolete.
His lack of emotion comes off as robotic.

So it really bugs me when I see dating advice online that says things like "just talk to women like normal people" or "just be yourself". That's all bullshit to me.

Now I don't believe women should respond to something they don't like, and I also don't believe men should change themselves for someone, when those same traits work well for a dozen other people. So men like me are at a stalemate.

Thoughts?

Edited 16 hours ago by EternalForest

[aurum]

2 hours ago, EternalForest said:

Despite the fact I talk to men and women the same for potential friendships (and with women, even potential relationships).

With men, without even trying, I make small talk which leads to a full conversation.

While with women, despite my hardest efforts, I get no engagement.

But I guarantee you if I made myself more feminine with those same girls, things would be different. Because in my experience, women only respond to feminine energy, from men and otherwise.

You should not talk to men and women you are romantically interested in the same.

There is a very distinct form of communication that happens with women.

Don't think "I need to be more feminine". Think "I need to communicate as a man to a woman". It's masculine / feminine energy interacting.

If you just go up and have a bunch of logical man-talk with a woman, of course that won't work. You're treating her like a man, when you should be treating her like a woman.

[Kid A]

I don’t see how this is a groundbreaking discovery… Try listening to a really girly podcast where they talk about makeup, the Kardashians, or whatever, and see how much you like that.

[Schizophonia]

@EternalForest

Because you lack masculinity.
Masculinity is generally about suppressing/capturing anxiety.
If you're boring and only manage to socialize with men, it's because you enjoy cultivating anxiety too much, like a gay friend but with more "typically masculine" topics.

And you lack masculinity for the same reason you feel the need to specify "I am very masculine", which is that you don't want to suffer because you haven't understood something somewhere; You prefer cope.

When you say, "Oh, I'm unhappy because I can't get anyone, I must have a bad belief system, blablabla help me," then you'll be masculine.
In the purest sense of the word.

Edited 12 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Consider this masculine/feminine frame can also be limiting.

It might be worth enquiring onto how looking at the world this way 1) benefits and 2) detracts. This might also to help to realise why you use the frame itself. Is it to find a romantic relationship? To grow yourself? Equinimity? 

In medical professions, when a treatment just isn't working, this usually means the diagnosis is incorrect and needs some further investigation.

Edited 12 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Schizophonia]

2 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

In medical professions, when a treatment just isn't working, this usually means the diagnosis is incorrect and needs some further investigation.

Behind every misunderstanding or paradox we perceive lies a ego crisis, with the potential to either suppress it or conversely to experience the emotion.

It's always the same.

[Miguel1]

Masculine energy is mostly attractive yes, but the feminine energy from men connects.

I am often fairly feminine and playful upon the approach but then immediately slowly introduce more masculine energy and once she is hooked, I might bring in some serious dark triad masculine energy in the mix.

I do not recommend to be so manipulative, unless you want the girls to go absolute crazy over you.

Edited 11 hours ago by Miguel1

[Leo Gura]

Like I said, game is about learning how to act like a girl.

[Schizophonia]

36 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Like I said, game is about learning how to act like a girl.

If your Oedipus complex was poorly resolved, each scenario is different, but generally, a distant father and a close, somewhat lax, relationship with your mother will lead to a mixture of fear and guilt towards your father figure.
Because you are "against" your father figure and by extension the entry into the symbolic order, this will trigger (all of this is unconscious) castration anxiety. Your sense of power will then serve to alleviate this castration anxiety, notably through identification (mimicry) with the father figure; not the assimilation of the phallic position! But rather its imitation as a cop for the castration anxiety.

Ultimately, you will therefore feel that your optimal self, and what is expected of you as a man, is someone with very little libidinal expression (libidinal expression -> incestuous temptation -> conflict with the father and the symbolic order in general -> castration anxiety).

You feel masculine within this system, but from the outside, you and people with a similar setup actually struggle to be psychologically phallic.

You're relatively socially excluded (voluntarily), don't like being around women, and don't have children at around 40.
You do what you want that's not the point; it's to show that, in reality, you're not particularly phallic, and that's what being masculine means. Not being lean, not being rich, not being handsome, not being depressed, not wearing shirts, not drinking whiskey and smoking cigars lol, etcetc but rather the phallic position, which is fundamentally a social position.

When someone believes in a conflict between their gender role and socialization, it's a tendency toward obsessive-compulsive neurosis that's speaking.

There are a lot of introverted girls; in fact, most of the stuff people say about gender is a projection of their own neurotic patterns, pulled out of their ass.

Edited 8 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Miguel1]

I consider being so fully in touch with yourself that you can act however the hell way you want and totally own it, to be True Masculinity.

A man who has zero fear to be himself, and not giving a single fuck about what others think of him. What is this other than the definition of masculinity?

I absolutely adore my highly feminine and empathetic side, and so seemingly do girls.

Just gotta mix in it with my highly masculine side and it’s golden.

The good thing is that we all have femininity in us (just a matter of how much we allow and love that part of us). And the good thing is that we all also have masculinity in us.

[AION]

Some people need more testosterone and others need more estrogen. It depends on what you need. It is all about balance (aka health).

Nowadays women don’t have to worry about their safety. But in the past and in war time they always flock to the guys with high testosterone. 

Whilst in times of peace, I notice they go for these girly type of guys who have high levels of estrogen. While these guys would be cooked if they had to fend for themselves in a war time scenario or chaos stricken period.

It is because guys with high testosterone can be dangerous, assert-ive and pushy because of their libido. That is why they need to channel their libido intelligently. 

So it is not that they don’t like hyper masculine men.  They don’t like the pushiness and how those men make them feel. 

Edited 8 hours ago by AION

[Schizophonia]

20 minutes ago, AION said:

Some people need more testosterone and others need more estrogen. It depends on what you need. It is all about balance (aka health).

Nowadays women don’t have to worry about their safety. But in the past and in war time they always flock to the guys with high testosterone. 

While in times of peace, I notice they go for these girly type of guys who had high levels of estrogen. 

A guy rich in estrogen and low in testosterone would resemble a manic buoy with gynecomastia and erectile dysfunction.

[Miguel1]

24 minutes ago, AION said:

So it is not that they don’t like hyper masculine men.  They don’t like the pushiness and how those men make them feel. 

Like I said, masculinity is attractive but femininity connects.

[Miguel1]

9 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

A guy rich in estrogen and low in testosterone would resemble a manic buoy with gynecomastia and erectile dysfunction.

Too much estrogen and too little testosterone makes you gay

[AION]

12 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

Like I said, masculinity is attractive but femininity connects.

If you act as a girl like this thread proposes but she can sense you want to fuck her right off the bat, she still won’t feel safe.

For me it was a struggle to deal with my libido because the more one wants it the less one gets it. 

Which is kind of paradoxical but it makes sense. Wanting it signals you don’t have it. 

But I have a question for you. How do you define femininity?

[Schizophonia]

2 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

Too much estrogen and too little testosterone makes you gay

It might make you feel a bit more gay/bisexual because of the mania just like cocaine lol but it doesn't really change your orientation.
It's better to have too much estrogen than not enough.

[Miguel1]

11 minutes ago, AION said:

If you act as a girl like this thread proposes but she can sense you want to fuck her right off the bat, she still won’t feel safe.

Acting like a girl by definition means you don’t want to fuck her immediately off the bat.
 

[Miguel1]

11 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

It might make you feel a bit more gay/bisexual because of the mania just like cocaine lol but it doesn't really change your orientation.
It's better to have too much estrogen than not enough.

I didn’t mean literally. I meant that you come across very gay, which is a turn off.

[Schizophonia]

32 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

I didn’t mean literally. I meant that you come across very gay, which is a turn off.

You would be mostly irritable or sad with water retention

Edited 7 hours ago by Schizophonia

[EternalForest]

Hey guys, I was in a down mood when I posted that. I'll respond to everyone later when I get back., I'm at the movie theater watching the Chainsaw Man Movie!!! 🔥🪚🔥CHAINSAWWWWWW!!! 😄