Spiritual Gymnastics

[Carl-Richard]

6 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

@Carl-Richard Nor is meditating for 13 days straight anything to be impressed out

You can't deny there is a correlation between how long you can meditate for and how deep you can meditate. If you can enter deep meditation after 5 minutes, you can also very likely meditate for a very long time after that without problems. But if you cannot meditate for more than 5 minutes, you probably can't meditate very deeply in any case.

Edited 2 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Carl-Richard]

4 hours ago, r0ckyreed said:

I can never know the experience of others. I can only judge based off of my experience. Unless Wim Hof has demonstrated he has realized God, I remain unconvinced.

Leo has expressed resistance to letting go of his identity, as have @Inliytened1 for example. That means you're not enlightened. If you are still hanging on to your identity, you are still identified, you are still suffering. And when you let go, you're free from suffering. So enlightenment is about suffering just as much as it's about truth, because seeing the truth means you stop suffering. Seeing illusion and delusion means you suffer. Suffering is tied to ignorance. You should read more Buddhism.

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[Natasha Tori Maru]

In my experience the effects of meditation and the ability to enter a state of single pointed focus are cumulative; when my practice wanes for a week I find the effects also decline. The ease to which I can also slip into single pointed focus also declines.

Which is why I recommend consistent long term practice. 

The effects accumulate. I haven't met anyone who has not had this experience... 

[zurew]

I think the inferences you made are a bit loose, and I dont think that you need to have a clear answer to your question.

 

So lets just grant that most of those hardcore monks are not enlightened, from that doesnt follow that the practice doesnt help in any way at all to get enlightened. (similar argument can be made for any other practice or for psychedelics)

The other thing is that , you probably have other goals (other than just enlightenment - like having a peace of mind, elevating your concentration ability  that are all practical and useful and cool in other domains), so what do you really have to lose with doing the practice?

If it is the case, that it doesnt help with enlightenment in any way at all, then still ,you gained a lot from it, and if it helps with enlightenment ,then you have enlightenment + other bonuses.

 

If your view is that psychedelics lead to enlightenment - then do psychedelics, but that doesnt prevent you from doing these practices.

If your view is that no practice is needed for enlightenment , and that it is avalaible in all mental states, then doing the practices wont prevent you from grasping the truth.

 

No matter which line we go down, neither one provides an argument against doing the practices.

[Ramasta9]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

You can't deny there is a correlation between how long you can meditate for and how deep you can meditate. If you can enter deep meditation after 5 minutes, you can also very likely meditate for a very long time after that without problems. But if you cannot meditate for more than 5 minutes, you probably can't meditate very deeply in any case.

Indeed, that i can understand. What i aim pointing too is that while this is true, at the same time there are layers or levels unto which length becomes no longer needed as much as depth, and as you perfect the state of 'presence' or purely 'being', less becomes more and it can become counter-intuitive to meditate longer than a few moments, unless of course you need to take that path, but how i see it these days is we need to master the art of bringing our 'meditativeness' into the world and day to day life, cause if we are too caught up in one aspect or side of things, we miss the greater point.

The teachings of Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu and Chuang Tzu are great examples of this, and in Osho's book: When the Shoe Fits, he goes very deep into this.

Hope this helps

[Malkom]

Why not engage in spiritual gymnastics? You already experience "Truth." Let it be known from this perspective. Feel the fullness and savor of Life.

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Ramasta9 said:

Indeed, that i can understand. What i aim pointing too is that while this is true, at the same time there are layers or levels unto which length becomes no longer needed as much as depth, and as you perfect the state of 'presence' or purely 'being', less becomes more and it can become counter-intuitive to meditate longer than a few moments, unless of course you need to take that path, but how i see it these days is we need to master the art of bringing our 'meditativeness' into the world and day to day life, cause if we are too caught up in one aspect or side of things, we miss the greater point.

The teachings of Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu and Chuang Tzu are great examples of this, and in Osho's book: When the Shoe Fits, he goes very deep into this.

Hope this helps

Yep. Different things work at different points of the path.