What implication does spiral dynamics have for immigration policy?

[Starlight321]

@Leo Gura But Leo, there are real issues with sloppily regulated immigration. The country where I live has more than one million people from syria and about half a million afghani refugees. Many are nice people and just want to work and prosper.

However not all but a big minority of them bring  medievil value systems with them and treat their women and children in inapropriate ways for our time like not allowing them contact with males or preventing contact with people from outside their ethnicity. Many of them are stage purple red and blue and are actively trying to resist integration and put pressure on those who want to.

I can tell you from personal experience that there are real problems. When I was a teenager most of my friends were muslim or had a migration background. I also have a migration background from my fathers side. I also had a religious muslim stepfather from Ghana and was brought up multiculturally. We were living in a big city with 2 million in the metropolitian area and my stepfather had really trouble to find a mosque where they didn't preach to avoid contact with non muslims and how wicked the western society is and hence should be avoided. I also had some african relatives living near by and they were treating the only girl  they had besides a bunch of boys really poorly as cleaner and babysitter with little freedom.

I also had a friend from marroco and he was married off when he was 18 and some other guys I was friends with during childhood got their wifes through arranged marriages from the countries their parents were from which makes integration harder. Some of them weren't my best friends but guys you hang up with because some of  them were neighbors and friends of neighbors. We had also people from the salafia movement in the neighborhood trying to indoctrinate some of the poorer children and I have to tell you even though this movement creates other problems, that for a few of them it was a good developement because it was relatively a step up from stage red andd their stage red environment and they stopped being violent. 

When I was 19 I quit contact with most of them completely.

The majority of immigrants does not do the things I mentioned above but it depend however I think it is more likely that if it happens they tolerate it if it's done by their relatives and if it's it's common not necessarily from the culture their from but from their specific socioeconomic niche where they are from the other country and then they don't see any problem.

On the other hand Immigrants from these countries with higher education  who come here to study usually don't have these problems or they are less common. This is also the case with better educated people here so it's also important to give them possibilities to climb up the social ladder.

However the slow fall of living standard and economic decline as well as the growing gap between rich and poor will make all those problems worse due to the lack of possibilities and ressources. It is also often the case that here in Germany stage blue/orange people from areas with less contact tipically overreact and stereotype all muslims or people  behave this way even though isn't the case and it depends on the specific background. I also want to add that just happens to backfire if you try to get cheap slave workers from the most poor developed areas and spent decades sagregrate them from the rest of the population because you expect them to leave so miss to create a appropriate integration system.

Edited 11 hours ago by Starlight321

[Infinity16]

18 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

In my eyes, stage blue's approach is very narrow-minded, they don't hate migrants for being violent, they hate them for diluting their culture. Stage blue is also viciously violent and the people from their in-group commit murder and rape among their own people, so blue is more concerned about the loss of traditions and culture rather than violence.

That's certainly the main reason why the alt right hates immigration. All the stuff about how migrants are criminals, taking people's jobs, and becoming a liability to the welfare state are just talking points that they use to sell to everyone else. The reactionaries fear not that immigrants won't integrate but that they will. They fear that mass migration will dilute their culture. This would obviously not be persuasive to those in stage orange which does not care about culture in the slightest. Perhaps tellingly, a poll of each state in Germany shows that those most likely to think that Germany was welcoming in too many migrants tended to reside where there were very few of them.

[Daniel Balan]

2 hours ago, Infinity16 said:

That's certainly the main reason why the alt right hates immigration. All the stuff about how migrants are criminals, taking people's jobs, and becoming a liability to the welfare state are just talking points that they use to sell to everyone else. The reactionaries fear not that immigrants won't integrate but that they will. They fear that mass migration will dilute their culture. This would obviously not be persuasive to those in stage orange which does not care about culture in the slightest. Perhaps tellingly, a poll of each state in Germany shows that those most likely to think that Germany was welcoming in too many migrants tended to reside where there were very few of them.

I agree 100% with you! But why do you say that stage orange doesn't care about culture and traditions in the slightest? 

I don't care about culture or traditions or anything related to that, in fact I abhor culture and traditions of any kind, I view myself as citizen of the earth, I couldn't give a damn about the social construct that a country represents. I don't believe I'm yet at stage orange, I view myself at a red'ish stage blue yet. 

[Davino]

10 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

Do you have endogamy? Thats the boss level haha

No, my girlfriend is latina. Pick your poison, right?