Direct Consciousness & Psychedelic Drugs

[cetus]

6 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Not sure about Ram Dass, though

 Ram Dass followed the advice of his guru and got away from psychedelics and instead made service to the community his sadhana. He spent his later years sitting with terminally ill people that were in hospice care.

Edited Sunday at 05:37 AM by cetus

[UnbornTao]

6 hours ago, cetus said:

 Ram Dass followed the advice of his guru and got away from psychedelics and instead made service to the community his sadhana. He spent his later years sitting with terminally ill people that were in hospice care.

Appreciate that.

[koops]

On 23/10/2025 at 0:01 AM, cetus said:

With all the "experimentation" with psychedelics that went on in the 60's and 70's, you have to ask yourself-

Where are all the enlightened hippies?" 

On 24/10/2025 at 4:48 PM, UnbornTao said:

Right? Nobody seems to be seriously entertaining some of these questions. It's easier to overlook them. Or you'll come up with some reasons or excuses as to why that is, like genetics, stupidity, or lack of proper methodology. But neither of that really addresses the main point. 

This is a easy one.

You can have an awakening on psychedelics and change nothing in your life.

Your baker could have and awakening last year on dmt and you wouldnt know.

You dont transform into an Osho-like character.

 

[UnbornTao]

On 26/10/2025 at 6:21 PM, koops said:

This is a easy one.

You can have an awakening on psychedelics and change nothing in your life.

Your baker could have and awakening last year on dmt and you wouldnt know.

You dont transform into an Osho-like character.

By awakening, you probably mean some kind of experience.

Edited Tuesday at 08:57 PM by UnbornTao

[Leo Gura]

On 10/26/2025 at 11:21 AM, koops said:

This is a easy one.

You can have an awakening on psychedelics and change nothing in your life.

Your baker could have and awakening last year on dmt and you wouldnt know.

You dont transform into an Osho-like character.

This is also true of meditative awakenings. You can do an intense meditation retreat, have an enlightenment event, and when you come back home nothing has really changed and no one will ever know.

[Yimpa]

On 10/25/2025 at 5:13 PM, theoneandnone said:

Don’t you have to go balls to the wall insane to understand?

No.

[UnbornTao]

de la sierra morena, cielito lindo, vienen bajando

Taken from: https://chenghsin.com/register/advanced-consciousness-video-course-satsang-with-ralston/

 

[zurew]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

Taken from: https://chenghsin.com/register/advanced-consciousness-video-course-satsang-with-ralston/

 

My dude is destroying Ralston's business by leaking paywalled videos just to win an internet argument against Leo.

When Ralston told you to empty your cup, he didnt meant to empty his wallet 

[UnbornTao]

23 hours ago, zurew said:

My dude is destroying Ralston's business by leaking paywalled videos just to win an internet argument against Leo.

When Ralston told you to empty your cup, he didnt meant to empty his wallet 

Form is emptiness, emptiness is form.

Edited yesterday at 08:30 PM by UnbornTao

[James123]

Experience belongs to body.

Not consciousness. Consciousness is always same. Never begins, borns or dies.

All the experiences arises and falls within. Yet, it is untouched.

[zurew]

58 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Form is emptiness, emptiness is form.

Btw, if anyone is interested -  it seems that there are some videos uploaded on Ralston's Vimeo channel that arent uploaded on his youtube.

https://vimeo.com/peterralsto

[Dodo]

1 hour ago, zurew said:

My dude is destroying Ralston's business by leaking paywalled videos just to win an internet argument against Leo.

When Ralston told you to empty your cup, he didnt meant to empty his wallet 

Easier to be enlightened than to make money eh.

"Even if the whole world would crumble, you wouldn't care" 

But pay me money, for that I care 😀 

I myself have a lot of issues with money making, I'm really not good at it, and now I'm even physically challenged to make things worse. I cant have this egoic supremacy experience of being this rich man with financial power and family etc.. 

Edited Tuesday at 10:17 PM by Dodo

[UnbornTao]

@Leo Gura: "you little bitch, shut up already." 

Edited 23 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Inliytened1]

On 10/21/2025 at 8:57 AM, UnbornTao said:

I think these haven't been shared yet: 

Another one: 

 

Well if he took it already knowing it would not work then of course it wouldn't -  the ego would already be on the defense.  You should actually ask yourself why Ralston is so bent on proving why psychedelics don't work rather than worrying about whether they work or not.  The Truth is no can rule out anything that can trigger enlightenment and enlightenment is a shift in Consciousness.   So if we disagree there - in states- we may as well part ways.  But it is a shift and one would be a fool to rule anything out.. Hopping on a bus to school in the morning could initiate enlightenment.   This is a foolsgame and it's sad to see someone like Ralston wasting time disputing such things.

Edited yesterday at 03:02 AM by Inliytened1

[UnbornTao]

21 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Well if he took it already knowing it would not work then of course it wouldn't -  the ego would already be on the defense.  You should actually ask yourself why Ralston is so bent on proving why psychedelics don't work rather than worrying about whether they work or not.  The Truth is no can rule out anything that can trigger enlightenment and enlightenment is a shift in Consciousness.   So if we disagree there - in states- we may as well part ways.  But it is a shift and one would be a fool to rule anything out.. Hopping on a bus to school in the morning could initiate enlightenment.   This is a foolsgame and it's sad to see someone like Ralston wasting time disputing such things.

Yeeeeepp.

Is enlightenment a shift in state, though? Is it caused? Come on, Kieran's answer was personally directed at you.

Edited 20 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Breakingthewall]

Psychedelics work if your orientation is correct. You shouldn't be oriented toward understanding, but toward openness. If your orientation is toward understanding, you'll enter into mystical delusions; if it's toward breaking down the energetic barriers that keep you confined, you'll gradually dissolve them, until one day, at a certain moment, the entire ocean will open within you, and you will be that. There's nothing to understand; you must be limitless. This isn't something you can do with your mind; something real must break, a barrier must fall. Then the totality will manifest. 

[Inliytened1]

3 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Yeeeeepp.

Is enlightenment a shift in state, though? Is it caused?

Come on, Kieran's answer was personally directed at you.

Rewatch P3ne_Descomunal77's video above.

I stopped 5 seconds in..he says yes it can change states but you're not going to be become more conscious..ummm  ok.  But enlightenment is a shift in consciousness which drastically expands consciousness so yes..it can. Why couldn't it? He's hung up on being against drugs because he didn't need them.  Hooray. Neither did I.  But who is to say they don't expand consciousness? Him? Ok.  Guess he's the authority.

Look i promote meditation but ultimately is it going to enlighten everyone? Obviously not or he wouldn't have all these followers they would all be awakened.  It's not the tool anyway that's just the catalyst.  

Edited 20 hours ago by Inliytened1

[UnbornTao]

15 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

I stopped 5 seconds in..he says yes it can change states but you're not going to be become more conscious..ummm  ok.  But enlightenment is a shift in consciousness which drastically expands consciousness so yes..it can. Why couldn't it? He's hung up on being against drugs because he didn't need them.  Hooray. Neither did I.  But who is to say they don't expand consciousness? Him? Ok.  Guess he's the authority.

Look i promote meditation but ultimately is it going to enlighten everyone? Obviously not or he wouldn't have all these followers they would all be awakened.  It's not the tool anyway that's just the catalyst.  

It'd be wise to listen carefully.

Some of these guys know what they're talking about, and they're making a key point that almost everyone here seems to be missing. The argument is that one can't go from here to there, so to speak. Remember, their stance is (allegedly) grounded in a profound direct consciousness - including that of Adi Da and Meher Baba.

Also, why assume I'd advocate meditation in this context? It can certainly be useful in other domains, such as healing or learning to control one's mind.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of going the wishful-thinking route, and it seems most spirituality (along with religion) unknowingly falls into that category. We're no exception.

Edited 6 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Yimpa]

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Whats all this mean..summarize.