Sadhguru on Dr k

[Carl-Richard]

@Elliott

Here is how spiritual teaching works (or how it doesn't work): "I had this marvellous experience once and I pursued it with these practices and then I became established in this experience. Come sit with me for 4000$ and we'll talk about this experience, these practices. But if you ask me 'do you think I will experience this experience by me doing that?' "No, no, no — what? Are you crazy? At no point did I say that. I just want your 4000$". This is your position.

Edited Sunday at 06:57 PM by Carl-Richard

[Elliott]

9 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

@Elliott

Here is how spiritual teaching works (or how it doesn't work): "I had this marvellous experience once and I pursued it with these practices and then I became established in this experience. Come sit with me for 4000$ and we'll talk about this experience, these practices. But if you ask me 'do you think I will experience this experience by me doing that?' "No, no, no — what? Are you crazy? At no point did I say that. I just want your 4000$".

 

9 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

This is your position.

No it isn't.

People will likely have experiences with Sadhgurus workshops. Spiritual tourism. Just quit selling it as enlightenment, or a cure for all of people's "true" problems.

[Ishanga]

41 minutes ago, Elliott said:

 

No it isn't.

People will likely have experiences with Sadhgurus workshops. Spiritual tourism. Just quit selling it as enlightenment, or a cure for all of people's "true" problems.

I think You don't know what he is teaching really! I've studied this man for over a decade now, been in his presence a few times as I've stated.. 

He is not promising Enlightenment for everyone that follows him or uses his methods, if anything he is saying that at the least You will have a Peaceful Experience naturally!  To join the Brahmachari program at Isha, there is a thorough interviewing process, hundreds apply each year, they are not allowing everyone to join it, and its free as far as I know, this is for serious Spiritual practitioners that want to go all the way in this life time, for sure they are doing different Sadhana and Practices that most others are doing, and their picky about who is involved with it, so if he is a "conman" and out to get Your money what is this all about? Also, why spend money on ashrams and temples and statues? Why not just bank all the money coming in for himself, why spend it on that??

He's a Guru for our times, he's set himself up this way, it seems to be working as many are interested and using his methods...

At the 3min mark someone asks about liberation, he says that one has to basically set up the right atmosphere for that too happen, the right atmosphere is a Peaceful/Blissful Experience naturally arising for You, if he's selling anything it is that!

 

Edited Sunday at 07:49 PM by Ishanga

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

No it isn't.

People will likely have experiences with Sadhgurus workshops. Spiritual tourism. Just quit selling it as enlightenment, or a cure for all of people's "true" problems.

My god, on what planet can you claim Rupert Spira is not selling enlightenment? You're absolutely removed from reality.

Since we're about that "show me" game, I'll give you one challenge: find me one person on the forum who believes Sadhguru sells enlightenment but Spira doesn't. You can find me plenty who believe Sadhguru is a conman, but find me one person who believes he sells enlightenment but Spira doesn't. I will virtually guarantee you they will either say they both sell enlightenment or they both don't sell enlightenment, not one or the other. And this will be because you've backed yourself into an ad hoc corner, painting with the fine-comb pedantic brush; backed yourself so tightly in there that nobody else could fit in there.

Edited Sunday at 08:32 PM by Carl-Richard

[Ishanga]

42 minutes ago, Elliott said:

 

No it isn't.

People will likely have experiences with Sadhgurus workshops. Spiritual tourism. Just quit selling it as enlightenment, or a cure for all of people's "true" problems.

There are no "problems" in life, just situations! If You freak out and act compulsively, reacting per say, then Your intelligence to get thru the Situation is reduced, but if Your bliss or peace is not affected, your clarity is still there, Your Blissful no matter what, then Your intelligence is always there, that is the teaching, it makes sense!

[Ramasta9]

Mr sadguru is a comedian, an actor, a businessman, no different than other players in the game, like trump or dalai lama, these are all puppets put upon the pedistool to entertain, challenge, and distract the seeker from realizing true nature. Imagination is key, stillness reveals the dance.

[Salvijus]

50 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

Mr sadguru is a comedian, an actor, a businessman, no different than other players in the game, like trump or dalai lama, these are all puppets put upon the pedistool to entertain, challenge, and distract the seeker from realizing true nature. Imagination is key, stillness reveals the dance.

Everyone has their own perception of the world and the people in it. But thank you for sharing yours. 

 

Edited Monday at 11:42 AM by Salvijus

[Human Mint]

So I watched like 30mins. First impressions, Dr K. seemed very unauthentic, he said he agreed with everything but he was clearly skeptical and couldn't follow up on some things that Sadhguru said. I would have liked if he instead showed some of his own cognitive dissonance, because he was giving very little ground to an honest conversation too. Sadhguru also avoided that fact and didn't try to understand where Dr K. was coming from. I also get annoyed with people like dr K, but I think I can manage it way better than Sadhguru.

For example, at one point Sadhguru talks about the "memory of your cells" being more powerful than you. Clearly Dr K didn't buy into it despite having lots of truths. And so he was very little reciprocal.

Edited Monday at 06:42 PM by Human Mint

[SamC]

On 2025-10-19 at 11:34 AM, Wintermute said:

Interesting thread.

Don’t y’all think that spiritual teachers have to be “con men” in some way? Maybe “con men” isn’t quite the right term here, since it implies ill will. How about “tricksters”? Tricksters who don’t actually want anything from you, but are trying to fool you into the spiritual path for your own growth — for your own good. It’s morally grey, I admit, but that’s been one of the methods for a long time. There’s even a whole article on wiki about Divine Madness (theia mania). A lot of those figures were probably such tricksters.

I think there’s a fine line between genuine teachers who mean well and actual crooks who are just selling a flashy show with fireworks but no real value.

The Bible says we should judge them by their fruits. =)

I’ve read the whole thread, and it seems like quite a few people here have actually tried Sadhguru’s Inner Engineering and his approach to kriya yoga.

So how about we just ask them point blank about their purely subjective experiences? After all, it’s pretty hard to design a valid, foolproof scientific study on something as complex as yoga. We do have some data from PubMed, sure, but in my view, that doesn’t mean we should dismiss the subjective reports of those who’ve walked the talk and have something to share.

I’d really like to hear your stories (@OBEler @Carl-Richard @Ishanga @The Blind Sage @SamC), and I think they could be useful for others too. You mentioned there were some benefits — but what exactly? And how long did you practice before you started noticing results? Were the results mostly psychological? Physical? Or maybe something more esoteric, like subtle body experiences, energy, kundalini phenomena? What about more low-key effects in daily life? Maybe some of the people you know personally had some interesting experience with it as well?

I think kriya yoga is an important part of self-actualization, and this is a great opportunity for us to learn more about it. 

@Wintermute

My story:

I found Leo when I was 16, meditation when I was 18 and discovered psychedelics when I was 22.

Psychedelics gave me a lot. It changed how I saw reality permently. Unfortunatly they didn't make me happy and fullfilled though. I had amazing experiences but I was still the same - they didn't actually transform my inner being.

In fall 2022 I am very depressed, this despite my enlightment experiences. I decide to dedicate myself to the inner engineering program and actually follow it. (I had gone thorugh the program before but didn't follow thorugh)

During this intiation ( Shambhavi mahamudra) I experienced states that are similar to what I experienced that same year on Ayehuasca. It was from that experience that I realized Sadhguru is my guru and I have since then not missed a single day of my Sadhana.

I do Sadhana for around 2 - 2:30 hours each day and it's slowly transforming everything about me and my life. At certain periods my Sadhana is 4 hours + each day.

My life is Isha, my life is Sadhguru ~ because that's the highest path I have found in my direct experience.

Edited Tuesday at 09:11 PM by SamC

[Ishanga]

42 minutes ago, SamC said:

@Wintermute

My story:

I found Leo when I was 16, meditation when I was 18 and discovered psychedelics when I was 22.

Psychedelics gave me a lot. It changed how I saw reality permently. Unfortunatly they didn't make me happy and fullfilled though. I had amazing experiences but I was still the same - they didn't actually transform my inner being.

In fall 2022 I am very depressed, this despite my enlightment experiences. I decide to dedicate myself to the inner engineering program and actually follow it. (I had gone thorugh the program before but didn't follow thorugh)

During this intiation ( Shambhavi mahamudra) I experienced states that are similar to what I experienced that same year on Ayehuasca. It was from that experience that I realized Sadhguru is my guru and I have since then not missed a single day of my Sadhana.

I do Sadhana for around 2 - 2:30 hours each day and it's slowly transforming everything about me and my life. At certain periods my Sadhana is 4 hours + each day.

My life is Isha, my life is Sadhguru ~ because that's the highest path I have found in my direct experience.

Good Sharing, without Isha and Sadhguru I don't know how my life would be today! What they have shared is invaluable to Me and most everyone that uses it!!

The main thing too is that Sadhguru actually offers a method, its not about all the talking and so called Teaching, he says frequently that he is not sharing a Teaching, but a method.. I don't know what the others share method wise, Tolle, or Spira, or Leo other that using psychedelics, which imo are dangerous if used as the sole method...

Edited Tuesday at 09:52 PM by Ishanga

[Natasha Tori Maru]

On 21/10/2025 at 3:53 AM, Human Mint said:

So I watched like 30mins. First impressions, Dr K. seemed very unauthentic, he said he agreed with everything but he was clearly skeptical and couldn't follow up on some things that Sadhguru said. I would have liked if he instead showed some of his own cognitive dissonance, because he was giving very little ground to an honest conversation too. Sadhguru also avoided that fact and didn't try to understand where Dr K. was coming from. I also get annoyed with people like dr K, but I think I can manage it way better than Sadhguru.

For example, at one point Sadhguru talks about the "memory of your cells" being more powerful than you. Clearly Dr K didn't buy into it despite having lots of truths. And so he was very little reciprocal.

Dr K seemed very held back in this one. I have listened to him quite a bit and he appears to know a decent amount of eastern type spirituality as well as western. He very much let Sadhguru speak at the expense of asking some more probing questions - I was disappointed. This interview is a better example of Dr. K's knowledge, in my opinion:

I do have some issues with some of what he says - but I felt the Sadhguru interview fell flat.

 

[UnbornTao]

Sadhguru isn't even enlightened. Check out Spira, Adyashanti, and even Shinzen Young and Vernon Forward. 

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, UnbornTao said:

Sadhguru isn't even enlightened. Check out Spira, Adyashanti, and even Shinzen Young and Vernon Forward. 

That's true, there's a huge difference btwn an Enlightened person, a Saint, a Yogi and a Guru, as his name respresent a Sadhguru, which means he's an uneducated Guru (his knowing is not from Scripture or a lineage or a teaching, its from Inner Knowing), so yes one can say he is not Enlightened, he is above that classification!

[UnbornTao]

14 hours ago, Ishanga said:

That's true, there's a huge difference btwn an Enlightened person, a Saint, a Yogi and a Guru, as his name respresent a Sadhguru, which means he's an uneducated Guru (his knowing is not from Scripture or a lineage or a teaching, its from Inner Knowing), so yes one can say he is not Enlightened, he is above that classification!

Right.

Which isn't to discount the potential value and benefit of his work, by the way.

Edited Wednesday at 01:39 PM by UnbornTao

[UnbornTao]

Vernon Forward

 

[Hojo]

Sadhguru also says self love is schizophrenia, So he is calling Leo a schizophrenic.

And he also says God isnt love.

Edited Tuesday at 11:38 PM by Hojo

[Human Mint]

16 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Dr K seemed very held back in this one. I have listened to him quite a bit and he appears to know a decent amount of eastern type spirituality as well as western. He very much let Sadhguru speak at the expense of asking some more probing questions - I was disappointed. This interview is a better example of Dr. K's knowledge, in my opinion:

He seems to be a good psychiatrist, which is an intense job, so I respect him. But yeah, he failed to see how what Sadhguru was saying connects with his field. A very pragmatic talk nonetheless.

[Ishanga]

21 hours ago, Hojo said:

Sadhguru also says self love is schizophrenia, So he is calling Leo a schizophrenic.

And he also says God isnt love.

Any sort of self judgement, self love, self respect, self worth, etc, requires "Two" one that judges and one that receives it, so then are there Two of You within or One?? If there are Two or more then Your Schizophrenic, multiple personalities and such disorders, that is the logic he is using...

God isn't Love, God/Absolute is any and all Potentials and Possibility.  As soon as Love was invented or experienced, Hate was born, both are Possibilities, its up to each individual to determine which one they want to Experience, that is our Free Will, and its available to anyone if they strive for it...

[Hojo]

@Ishanga By that logic loving the fact that you hate yourself is the best logical way to evolve.

[Ishanga]

6 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Ishanga By that logic loving the fact that you hate yourself is the best logical way to evolve.

No... What You said here doesn't make any sense...

What I said was there are Possibilities, when it comes to Love, if that is a possibility, then so is Hate, their total opposite sorts of Experience, both are intense emotional experiences but bring about totally different feelings within, and via those feelings certain intentions and actions come from that..and that You, the individual have a choice as to which one to Experience, Love or Hate, choose and see what happens...

Your problem now is that Your Hate of Sadhguru or severe dislike has blinded You towards him, everything he says now in Your minds eye is incorrect, wrong or dangerous.  Whatever happened, its now caused You to not see what he is saying correctly.... What I suggest is don't listen to his words, I suggest this for everyone, his words are not important, he is not even the one putting up the videos, editing them and figuring out how to do such things, he's just talking to gain the interest of newbies imo.. just observe his actions, do they seem like actions of a conman or someone that is not authentic, and don't cherry pick, look at all of it over the last 30+yrs, then You will know what is what...

Edited Wednesday at 11:23 PM by Ishanga