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@EmeraldCrying is the crazy part. Nothing is happening. Men will sit there an resist the crazy woman will go crazy instantly.

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3 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

You make it sound like being alone is starving yourself to death.  Whats really wrong with it? As I said I think its healthy to be able to exist alone because then as a man you will never be codependent or need to have someone there to be happy.  It's fundamental actually.  It doesn't mean socialization or having a relationship with another should be shunned but there is nothing wrong with either choice.  As long as you can provide for yourself.  There is another member of the forum that is completely happy living off the land in Europe I believe it's @Daniel Balan .  Whether he has social relationships i don't know but that's his choice.  The point is either should be OK as long as you can provide for yourself. No one is saying to go starve yourself on a mountain for enlightenment  but if you do want to do that its your choice.  You act like his listeners are complete idiots.  To even be a listener here you would have to have a certain level of intelligence and awareness.  I think you are the one over dramatizing things.

Thanks a lot for the mention. But Emerald has a point. Had I choose to completely isolate myself I'die for sure. All I did is that I choose deliberately to have no friends, I spend most of my time alone, but I always talk to others to find some more work in construction or in the forest to have money to pay for basic stuff. Also I don't live 100% off the land, more like 50% off the land. The rest of food I eat I buy it from the neighbouring city supermarket like you guys do. 

Here people have a tradition to do big weedings with lots of godfathers and guests, a tradition I never understood. Why on earth would you need like 10 godfathers and godmothers when you get married? But as I always work alone on the small fields that I have to produce crops it hit me. Those people are deliberately choosing to be related by marriage and other kind of spiritual alliances in order to help eachother on the fields when it is time for harvest or to sow seeds in the spring. To come together to build a house together, to slaughter cows and pigs together, to form gangs and physically defend themselves if another enemy gang wants to beat them etc. 

I also never understood why people are into religion, but it turns out it has nothing to do with spirituality but rather it has everything to do with coming together and helping eachother at survival.

As I harvested potatoes alone once again this week I contemplated this. I choose aloneness because I can't stand people. I choose to face survival on hard mode alone that to have it easy and tolerate all the backwardness and stupidity of other humans. But I wondered, what would happen to me if I had a gang of humans as enemies? Alone I don't think I would survive. I have a katana sword at home but so do my enemies. Survival ain't no game. And honestly? Sometimes I wish I had been part of a bigger group of people in which we help eachother at survival or we gang up against other groups that want to beat us 

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15 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Of course, all people will go crazy in solitary confinement.

But it's an assumption based in sexism that women will go crazier faster than men. And it's not based in evidence... just your own sexist assumptions.

It's been studied, and women biologically have a greater capacity for internal emotional regulation than men... and will tend to regulate by feeling emotions and crying. So, according to that study, women have a higher capacity for self-soothing.

it's posited that women evolved a higher capacity for self-soothing because women are less aggressive and less strong than men. And it was safer for her to be able to self-sooth in dangerous and stressful situations rather than to try to fight back.

But in the study, it showed that men tend to need to retaliate in order to regulate themselves. It required rage that led out to a desired change in the external world for men to get regulated.

It's posited that men evolved this capacity because they needed to be able to respond to threats from animals and other humans with force and violence.

That's why an upset man who is upset about something that doesn't have a concrete solution and that can't be solved through anger or retaliation might punch a hole in a wall. So, emotion and action tend to come simultaneously. And this can lead to men having more of a tendency towards taking more impulsive, chaotic, and risky actions than women do, on average.

But a woman who is upset will tend to go through a quieter and more low-key process of feeling her emotions and crying. Then, she will seek solutions after the emotions have been sufficiently taken care of. So, emotional processing comes first... and then action comes from a calmer state once the emotions are taken care of.

So, that leads to women have a greater capacity for self-soothing than men do. 

It's just that society is very emotion-phobic and fearful of Femininity. So, the act of crying was often seen as more of a sign of being weak or unhinged  than aggressive anger and wall-punching and violence because the crying is understood as more Feminine than the wall-punching.

So, if some crazy person tries to put a woman in an isolation room, she might cry and process emotions to try to adjust to the isolation room, seek solutions... then go crazy if she can't find any solutions.

But if some crazy person tries to put a man in an isolation room, he's probably going to immediately rage out and tear the isolation room apart... which is useful if it's escapable but just frenzied chaotic rage if the room is inescapable. Then, he'll go crazy too.

@Hojo if you both were in solitary (you and a woman) she would probably drive you batty before the confinement did 😀

@Natasha Tori Maru @Emerald im kidding so go easy.

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@Inliytened1I like all woman I interact with off the internet. But we dont talk about this kinda stuff. 90 percent of the time to talk to a woman you not smile say yea thats smart. And they think they are having a conversation. When I watch women communicate its like they are talking to themselves with 2 people. 

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2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Inliytened1I like all woman I interact with off the internet. But we dont talk about this kinda stuff.

I know you meant well but if you are going to make such claims back them with statistics. 

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@Inliytened1What claim?


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5 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@EmeraldCrying is the crazy part. Nothing is happening. Men will sit there an resist the crazy woman will go crazy instantly.

Like I said, because society is emotion-phobic and Femininity-phobic more Feminine expressions of emotions like crying is seen as crazy and unhinged... while anger gets re-categorized as a non-emotion and isn't seen as crazy and unhinged when a man is expressing it.

But crying isn't crazy. It's just what humans do. Be careful not to repress your emotions. It's not healthy.

And it's basic emotional release during times of grief, sadness, and distress... even sometimes joy. And it helps with emotional regulation.


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@EmeraldThe body isnt born with an identity. If you were never given a name you wouldnt cry. Crying is releasing your identity.


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1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@Inliytened1What claim?

That women crack faster under solitary confinement than men do.

He was saying you need to back up your claims rather than just making assumptions.


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3 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Inliytened1What claim?

That women would go crazier first or that they are more scared than men.  There are plenty of fearless women and I assure you that you will go crazier first when locked up. Women are quite resilient.  They live longer afterall...remember?

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1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@EmeraldThe body isnt born with an identity. If you were never given a name you wouldnt cry. Crying is releasing your identity.

I'm stopping this conversation now. You're just pulling random nonsense out of your hat.


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If so, and if you're looking for an experienced coach to help you discover and resolve the root of the issue, you can click this link to schedule a free discovery call with me to see if my program is a good fit for you.

 

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if A woman is locked in a room and a man is locked in a room who will go crazy faster with data?

While no study can precisely measure who "goes crazy faster," data from correctional and isolation-related research consistently shows that women are more vulnerable to the psychological trauma of isolation and therefore experience the onset of severe negative symptoms more rapidly.

This is not a reflection of inherent weakness, but of how social and relational needs interact with the extreme stress of isolation.

Here is the data-driven breakdown:

Psychological TraitGender with Higher Vulnerability/SymptomsData/Reasoning

Pre-Existing ConditionsWomenStudies consistently show justice-involved women have significantly higher rates of mental health disorders (including anxiety and depression) and Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs)/trauma than men. Isolation exacerbates pre-existing conditions more quickly.

Suicidal Ideation/Self-HarmWomenA study on people in jail found that those who identified as non-men reported a higher prevalence of lifetime and jail-specific suicidal ideation than men. Solitary confinement is linked to half of all prison suicides, and the presence of high-risk individuals (often women with severe trauma histories) in isolation indicates faster deterioration toward crisis.

Sensitivity to LonelinessWomenGeneral population longitudinal studies on social isolation and loneliness consistently suggest women are more sensitive to the negative mental health effects of poor social connections (loneliness and social isolation). Isolation severs core relational needs more acutely for women.

Initial Psychological ResponseWomenA longitudinal study of psychological impact during a period of severe confinement (COVID-19 lockdown) found that females had significantly higher scores than males in almost all negative psychological measures (stress, anxiety, and avoidance symptoms) at the beginning of the confinement period. This suggests a faster initial reaction or emotional volatility to the onset of isolation.

Isolation's Effect on DepressionWomenA longitudinal study on college students found that for females, both social isolation and loneliness significantly and independently predicted increased depressive symptoms. For males, only social isolation was a significant predictor, suggesting that the subjective feeling of loneliness has a more critical, faster link to depression in women.

Conclusion

The data suggests that a woman is likely to experience severe psychological decline faster than a man. Her higher baseline rates of trauma and mental illness make her more fragile in a high-stress environment, and her greater sensitivity to loneliness and loss of social connection means the core trauma of isolation will trigger a rapid onset of severe symptoms, including increased risk of self-harm and suicidal ideation.

Its very obvious woman are way more social than men.

 

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@EmeraldWhy do you think you burst out crying when you are awakening and your identity is dying?


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How you go/How long it may last/Venture life, burn your dread

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Just now, Hojo said:

@EmeraldWhy do you think you burst out crying when you are awakening and your identity is dying?

Leave it alone. 


 

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Everyone calm down. Can we take a moment to let our defensiveness go. People are dying right now all over the world, and we are arguing over perspectives. I love you, let's take a moment to ease the tension and to not act so cool even if you don't agree with someone. 

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@Inliytened1 Haha :P

I don't make generalizations, but I have seen just as many men get emotional and fold on construction sites as I do women get emotional. 

Society doesn't seem to label anger, rage and violence as emotional. Violence is an emotional expression just as crying is an emotional expression. Both sexes express emotion, just on different axis'. 

When we do not understand something, we typically call it 'irrational' or 'crazy'. 


Deal with the issue now, on your terms, in your control. Or the issue will deal with you, in ways you won't appreciate, and cannot control.

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@Inliytened1Now thats a sexist thing to call someone.


Sometimes it's the journey itself that teaches/ A lot about the destination not aware of/No matter how far/
How you go/How long it may last/Venture life, burn your dread

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1 minute ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Inliytened1 Haha :P

I don't make generalizations, but I have seen just as many men get emotional and fold on construction sites as I do women get emotional. 

Society doesn't seem to label anger, rage and violence as emotional. Violence is an emotional expression just as crying is an emotional expression. Both sexes express emotion, just on different axis'. 

When we do not understand something, we typically call it 'irrational' or 'crazy'. 

Spot on. There's an interesting book I forgot the title of it, but it explains how the fetus in the mother's womb, starts off as female and as chemicals get released during the development depending on the hormones and stuff it will transition into a male or remain a female. It's quite fascinating, I think the best approach is to integrate the male and female aspects of a human being rather than our attitudes now of the opposite sex

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7 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Inliytened1 Haha :P

I don't make generalizations, but I have seen just as many men get emotional and fold on construction sites as I do women get emotional. 

Society doesn't seem to label anger, rage and violence as emotional. Violence is an emotional expression just as crying is an emotional expression. Both sexes express emotion, just on different axis'. 

When we do not understand something, we typically call it 'irrational' or 'crazy'. 

Probably more. I don't care what AI says haha. You really can't determine it based on sex.  Strength maybe but not emotions.  Us guys are probably more fragile than women we just like to keep a wall up because that's the Masculine thing to do 😀 

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@ExploringReality Preach :D 


Deal with the issue now, on your terms, in your control. Or the issue will deal with you, in ways you won't appreciate, and cannot control.

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