Leo Gura

Who Wants Actualized Psychedelic Retreats?

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2 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I believe psychedelics increase the connections between neurons within the brain, as well as promoting growth and strength (prefrontal cortex).

In addition there has been a lot of evidence shown they shut down the default mode network - responsible in part for the identification of the 'self'. No self ay? :P

So I imagine this is part of the mechanism behind removing the illusion of the self and assisting with breaking down deception.

 

Yes the self is an illusion Buddhism knew this this ages ago 

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2 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I believe psychedelics increase the connections between neurons within the brain, as well as promoting growth and strength (prefrontal cortex).

In addition there has been a lot of evidence shown they shut down the default mode network - responsible in part for the identification of the 'self'. No self ay? :P

So I imagine this is part of the mechanism behind removing the illusion of the self and assisting with breaking down deception.

 

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5 hours ago, r0ckyreed said:

It’s because of its tiny imaginary brain ;) 

What about an elephant, then! Aha!!!


God-Realize, this is First Business. Know that unless I live properly, this is not possible.

There is this body, I should know the requirements of my body. This is first duty.  We have obligations towards others, loved ones, family, society, etc. Without material wealth we cannot do these things, for that a professional duty.

There is Mind; mind is tricky. Its higher nature should be nurtured, then Mind becomes Wise, Virtuous and AWAKE. When all Duties are continuously fulfilled, then life becomes steady. In this steady life GOD is available; via 5-MeO-DMT, because The Sun shines through All: Living in Self-Love, Realizing I am Infinity & I am God

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1 hour ago, theoneandnone said:

Now I’m not advocating this but by this logic since consciousness creates everything can consciousness create its own death or keep existing. For example if consciousness creates the grenade you can put it in your mouth blow yourself up and then quantum immortality you just go to another timeline or fuck all that maybe the grenade does blow up but nothing can affect you since consciousness can’t die by its own creation 

Consciousness cannot kill itself. Forms within Consciousness can disappear, but Consciousness itself always absolutely remains. If the human form disappears Absolute Consciousness in which that form appeared still remains.

There is no such thing as "non-existence". There is only Existence. Existence is always present even if forms are not present. You can't kill Existence.

Edited by Leo Gura

You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Consciousness cannot kill itself. Forms within Consciousness can disappear, but Consciousness itself always absolutely remains. If the human form disappears Absolute Consciousness in which that form appeared still remains.

There is no such thing as "non-existence". There is only Existence. Existence is always present even if forms are not present. You can't kill Existence.

Gorgeously said 

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@Leo Gura This would be amazing for me as I have very little experience and an experienced guide who I trust is exactly what I need. Some questions:
 

What motivated to create this? 
 

Will you have a screening process for determining if people are safe to partake? 
 

Will you only be using 5meo or will there be other substances? 
 

Do you envision the group taking the psychedelics at the same time? 
 

Will you have other guides there with you? 

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8 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

When you say that it's mediated by something else, you're referring to something relative - awareness, perhaps. The universe could collapse and it still wouldn't touch the absolute - so why would an activity or chemicals in your brain do it?

All we can do is experience limitations. And you need intelligence and awareness to see that all limits circuit around Limitedness—aka Infinity. After a while all you see is God. You see right through everything else.

That's the moment a Human turns ON.

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1 hour ago, theoneandnone said:

Now I’m not advocating this but by this logic since consciousness creates everything can consciousness create its own death or keep existing. 

Consciousness did imagine eternal hell. But that, too, didn't last. Because every imagination is already a second-level-phenomenon that doesn't touch any Fundamentals. The Great Twist will come from where that line between fundamental vs. imaginary really stands.

We had a pretty long time to believe that magic is dead and existence would be simply a mechanical process, which couldn't be further from the Truth ;) 


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7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Well, there is Nothingness. But since there's nothing there it passes in an instant. Only dreams have a sense of time and substance.

You escape into nothingness when you sleep but you don't even feel it since there's nothing to feel.

I'd love to believe that in reality we meet at night and brainstorm how this world should continue, and some day we will remember it all :D


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7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You might as well ask why God designed it that a chainsaw to your head will kill you.

How come a chainsaw is able to kill consciousness?

Isn't a Chainsaw itself consciousness? So how can consciousness be killed?

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8 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Adrian colby  I think if Leo screens well and for maturity he can bullseye the type of experience with individuals as you describe.

Being able to sit with unpleasant feelings when deep concepts and ideas are being explored is a huge deal.

When you probe too deep with most people they nope out due to emotional reaction over their capacity to handle it. This is one of the issues I have run into in new age circles, as it just so happens most face-to-face gatherings are of this 'new age' spiritual type.

It also takes a mature person not to make meaning and with-hold that mechanism when some of the deeper truths are spoken of.

No self, solipsism etc - if these are approached without maturity, one of the issues I have seen (in my own circles), is seekers making meaning and drawing false conclusions based on insights handed to them incautiously. 'It's all imagination' = I can do whatever the fuck I want, consequences and integrity be damned. Generally a mature & open person will withhold judgement or false meaning making. A retreat with these sorts of individuals, especially in a facilitated manner, would be really special.

Yep. I stopped teaching advanced stuff when I saw a few using non duality to gaslight the people still back at trauma resolution. It became clear they were using it to bolster their own ‘spiritual’ identity by dismissing the conscious experience of others as valid. I was holding space at other facilitators retreats but I wanted to start my own that had at least 6 months of philosophy, psychology and deconstructive work before going near a psychedelic but there just wasn’t anyone ready for that so I went into psychotherapeutics approach instead as that is what was needed. 

 

deconstructing reality back into the ocean of consciousness doesn’t negate consciousness/existence itself and clinging to non duality as an absolute forgets that the dream is still made of consciousness which the exploration and understanding of duality is a part of. 
 

i think a lot of people in this work focus on the contraction back to the singularity as the goal and forget that everything that is ‘imagined’ within it is still a part of the whole.

having godhead or even further back to source, realisation can help clarify understandings of duality.
 

even better to have a group of people to engage in a dialectic about it that is in person.
 

@Leo Gura yes certainly interested in details, structure of running this retreat.

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On 10/8/2025 at 8:47 PM, Leo Gura said:

There exists a supernatural domain of consciousness which is so advanced that no words can communicate it to you.

It is like trying to explain human consciousness to an ant.

Humans are just ants. Nothing more. Nothing humans understand means anything from a higher POV. This includes nonduality and enlightenment and all human spirituality. All of it is ant stuff.

Words can only do so much, which is why I like the idea of chemical retreats. The real work is in the chemicals, not in my talking. The chemical can show you what words never can.

Call it whatever you want but no absolute can accurately be conveyed, this was already the case. When you mention higher and lower, supernatural, and all such distinctions, make sure it isn't a state that's being talked about and conflated with what underlies it.

As for your last sentence, it depends on what you mean by the real work. It is if you mean changing the activity of the brain, yet what that produces is still a relative result. You're suggesting, essentially, that there's such a thing as a pill for enlightenment, which is misleading.

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13 hours ago, vibv said:

The Love-Making Process of Consciousness is a higher process than even time itself. The only thing that's not a process is ABSOLUTE TRUTH - which is identical with ABSOLUTE NOTHINGNESS - out of which all of it arises. But that - I call it Unground - remains forever unknowable and thus turns the whole cosmos into a living, breathing & dancing Mystery.

But God still got some Aces up Her sleeve, don't worry.

Yeeeep.

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12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You talking nonsense.

Your consciousness IS influenced by chemicals.

Stop the BS.

Just because you do not have a logical explanation for it does not mean it isn't happening.

You are like a child saying, "Well, I don't know how the moon orbits the Earth, therefore it does not orbit the Earth." Your ignorance is not the moon's problem.

Do you think that opening up the brain and tweaking certain parts could eventually produce enlightenment?

I wasn't talking about figuring out a logical explanation for a process. And what is it that happens?

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18 hours ago, Purple Man said:

The first point should be, and it is not for many, obvious. It´s bizarre to watch a movie character saying that he/she has evolved to the point of transcending the movie screen and the film, and that there are other more advanced characters in sci-fi movies that have transcended them even more deeply...It´s a total confusion between the relative and the Absolute, between "Expression" and "Identity".

Ain't we  I You God Leo It THAT  Clap of the one Hand having fun?  

18 hours ago, Purple Man said:

On the second point, this is such an interesting topic, for which I don´t have an answer yet. I´d like to have your view, if you please: Yes, knowing or ignoring True Self does not interfere with the very fact of being It in any case. But this knowledge or lack of, dramatically affects the quality and enjoyment of a particular body-mind perspective. So, once an "avatar" has understood True Self in his/her present incarnation, does this knowledge necessarily become the solid building foundation for further increasingly developed avatars in future lives? Does this knowledge become the "base camp" for further adventures in incarnated life? 

Yes, according to pretty much all OBElers yes (I like Jürgen Ziewe).  And why not? Makes the game a bit more juicy. Leo can become his alien, but maybe after another few lifes have thaught him that considering the zombies rats rodents fellow childen of his own Being a little bit more benevolent. Like, a Kindergarten-planet with many many growing children eager to learn, each with its own curriculum and needs.... And planet Earth can provide lessons ^_^

Leos idea that everbody ending up as stable Infinity upon death is in contradiction to all OBElers having explored the Afterlife Realms. Why should the 2nd grader suddenly get its PHd - sounds a bit traumatizing, and robbing the poor chap its wonderful journey through school and college.

We shall all see... That is the one thing in life that is totally assured: The final out of body experience. Nobody gets left behind.

 

Anyways, where have we been... Ah, yes: The only "thing" that cares about ignorance (ignorance defined as seeing any arising/appearance as "other") being gone forever is.... ignorance-arisings.

So maybe, when the Avatar is developed enough, after maybe having been an angel, a planetery consciousness, or a being that spawns a whole Universe in its being/perspective, and n+1 .... becoming a bit more stupid and ignorant again becomes quite very attractive? Ever had the feeling that THIS was a really interesting dream the night before, totally bought into its exciting (although totally ignorant with lots of "other") story? That you would miss something if that was no longer possible again (ever)?

As Francis Lucille once said: Ignorance is only a bad idea from the perspective of ignorance. As Consciousness/Being/Reality: Who cares? Nothing to loose....

And, from a personal perspective: Nothing can ever truly happen to True Being. Neither loose, neither gain. Ignorant or not, even the ignorance is only arising, never have I been that. Ever. THAT is always right here, ever was, ever will be, can not not be. There never was anything beyond a mere illusion-arising appearing to believe in ignorance/other. Was never truly the case. Can never be. But how tremendously beautiful that ignorance/other arising is even possible!

Enjoying looking forward to this life, the realms beyond, an alien or two, the planet-gig, assembling this or that realm, and then maybe enjoying another juicy drama of ignorance all of over again. 

And all of that words/meanings are just ripples on the mere appearing surface of

the River, which in Reality doesn't move, become or change in the slightest.

 

PS: I know. Blah Blah Blah.

But: There is good Blah Blah Blah, and bad Blah Blah Blah.

Blah Blah good? ^_^ (the no-foreign-language-warning-point fraction may be so kind to click on auto-translate. Gracie!)

 

 

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13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Your consciousness IS influenced by chemicals.

Your consciousness yes. But that consciousness is not the Absolute, it is a mere appearance. Ant and Ant consciousness arising, Human and human consciousness arising, Alien and Alien consciousness arising. Arising/appearing in THAT. YOU are aware of it. Aware of the Ant, of Leo, of the Alien. 

That which is truly aware, which is truly the Absolute Subject, the Ultimate Looker, never changes. No moving parts.

Selling "no moving parts makes maintenance free" by the River

 

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Another question that debunks this whole argument that Consciousness does not depend on anything material is Why isn't a dog as conscious as a human?

Obviously you understand that a dog is nowhere as conscious as a human.

You understand that, right??

Is consciousness a property that sentient beings have? That'd be better called awareness, perhaps - something that is indicative of an entity's capacity for re-cognition of itself and its environment. If we take your use of the word here, the dog is even "conscious" of things humans are not.

The entire physical universe could collapse, and it would make no difference in this regard. Both the dog (god spelled backwards) and the human would be startled, though. I just hope the dog doesn't think that ingesting a chemical will awaken him, in any case.

As far as consciousness goes, what's a dog and what's a human? What is the assertion that consciousness is had by you, as a human self, based on?

And if we expand your argument, why wouldn't taking magnesium or vitamin D bring one closer to (or further from) awakening? Can we see the premise here? Do you think God-realization depends on achieving the right chemical soup in the brain?

The point is that brain activity and consciousness are not related, because, with the former, there's nothing to be related to.

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10 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I believe psychedelics increase the connections between neurons within the brain, as well as promoting growth and strength (prefrontal cortex).

In addition there has been a lot of evidence shown they shut down the default mode network - responsible in part for the identification of the 'self'. No self ay? :P

So I imagine this is part of the mechanism behind removing the illusion of the self and assisting with breaking down deception.

 

There's nothing to remove, so what mechanism? The point is, you're looking for vegetables in a candy shop - and everything is a candy shop. (Again with the analogies.)

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9 hours ago, vibv said:

All we can do is experience limitations. And you need intelligence and awareness to see that all limits circuit around Limitedness—aka Infinity. After a while all you see is God. You see right through everything else.

That's the moment a Human turns ON.

We should take care not to use rhetoric to fool ourselves into thinking our own level of understanding is higher than it actually is. But hey, that's the human predicament. :P

I wrote a fancy paragraph as a response, but I figured the sentence above gets the sentiment across.

I finally caught up, Jesus.

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