Leo Gura

Who Wants Actualized Psychedelic Retreats?

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On 10/8/2025 at 3:44 PM, zurew said:

Leo does this unfortunately a lot - where he equivocates. As far as I understand, he uses two different notions of consciousness. Under one notion, its a property agents can have (which makes it possible to apply the norm  "more and less" to it  - generally goes for what and how much you are aware of ), and under the second notion: you cant have it, because 1) its not a property, 2) because you are it,  its basically the thing you are describing.

These are clearly two very different things and should be named differently.

Maybe awareness or cognition, and consciousness.

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On 10/8/2025 at 6:27 PM, vibv said:

Consciousness is a Process. The Process of Processes. The Movement of Movements. Sat Chit Ananda—Being, Consciousness, Eternal Bliss. That order is not random in any way, shape or form.

You could also call it:

Sat — TRUTH
Chit — CONSCIOUSNESS
Ananda — LOVE

Immovable Truth meets Unstoppable Force, which turns out to be CONSCIOUSNESS, like rivers meeting a mountain. It turns TRUTH INTO LOVE! It is Divine Alchemy. THAT is what that Process is.

A process has a beginning and an end, and it suggests some kind of activity unfolding. Writing a book and perceiving are processes. Look at how everything is a process in the relative, as are practices and states. Consider it is not a process as it transcends time and space. But personally contemplate what it is without presumption.

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43 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

A process has a beginning and an end, and it suggests some kind of activity unfolding. Writing a book and perceiving are processes. Look at how everything is a process in the relative, as are practices and states. Consider it is not a process as it transcends time and space. But personally contemplate what it is without presumption.

The Love-Making Process of Consciousness is a higher process than even time itself. The only thing that's not a process is ABSOLUTE TRUTH - which is identical with ABSOLUTE NOTHINGNESS - out of which all of it arises. But that - I call it Unground - remains forever unknowable and thus turns the whole cosmos into a living, breathing & dancing Mystery.

But God still got some Aces up Her sleeve, don't worry.

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JHWH·LILA·VIBV

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On 10/8/2025 at 8:17 PM, Leo Gura said:

No. I am not talking about cognition. I am talking about Absolute Consciousness.

Chemicals is a relative notion, as is brain damage, but if I hit you over the head with a hammer you will lose consciousness. This does not contradict the absoluteness of Consciousness. Consciousness is entangled with the physical world. What you do in the physical world affects your consciousness. If that wasn't true then no spiritual practices would work.

You can't claim spiritual practices work but that chemicals don't. Spiritual practices ARE chemicals.

When you say that it's mediated by something else, you're referring to something relative - awareness, perhaps. The universe could collapse and it still wouldn't touch the absolute - so why would an activity or chemicals in your brain do it?

Again, work for what? To what end? The claim is that no practice is going to do it for you, as it isn't a result or a new experience. The best it can do, perhaps, is leave you where your consciousness presently is - ignorant of what's true - and then you somehow make the leap, as if by magic. There's no method or pill to produce direct consciousness. But we imagine such consciousness will change something. How - or that - a breakthrough occurs remains a complete mystery… and I suspect that's unavoidable as a "feature." Even after having had enlightenments, each breakthrough is completely up in the air and must be faced anew, from scratch.

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@Adrian colby  I think if Leo screens well and for maturity he can bullseye the type of experience with individuals as you describe.

Being able to sit with unpleasant feelings when deep concepts and ideas are being explored is a huge deal.

When you probe too deep with most people they nope out due to emotional reaction over their capacity to handle it. This is one of the issues I have run into in new age circles, as it just so happens most face-to-face gatherings are of this 'new age' spiritual type.

It also takes a mature person not to make meaning and with-hold that mechanism when some of the deeper truths are spoken of.

No self, solipsism etc - if these are approached without maturity, one of the issues I have seen (in my own circles), is seekers making meaning and drawing false conclusions based on insights handed to them incautiously. 'It's all imagination' = I can do whatever the fuck I want, consequences and integrity be damned. Generally a mature & open person will withhold judgement or false meaning making. A retreat with these sorts of individuals, especially in a facilitated manner, would be really special.


Deal with the issue now, on your terms, in your control. Or the issue will deal with you, in ways you won't appreciate, and cannot control.

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23 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

When you say that it's mediated by something else, you're referring to something relative - awareness, perhaps. The universe could collapse and it still wouldn't touch the absolute - so why would an activity or chemicals in your brain do it?

You talking nonsense.

Your consciousness IS influenced by chemicals.

Stop the BS.

Just because you do not have a logical explanation for it does not mean it isn't happening.

You are like a child saying, "Well, I don't know how the moon orbits the Earth, therefore it does not orbit the Earth." Your ignorance is not the moon's problem.

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You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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50 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Your consciousness IS influenced by chemicals.

 

Chemicals themselves are Consciousness. But consciousness is not mediated by chemicals because that assumes materialism is true. To mediate means to bring about. 


“Our most valuable resource is not time, but rather it is consciousness itself. Consciousness is the basis for everything, and without it, there could be no time and no resource possible. It is only through consciousness and its cultivation that one’s passions, one’s focus, one’s curiosity, one’s time, and one’s capacity to love can be actualized and lived to the fullest.” - r0ckyreed

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3 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

Chemicals themselves are Consciousness. But consciousness is not mediated by chemicals because that assumes materialism is true. To mediate means to bring about. 

It doesn't assume materialism is true.

Chemicals are Consciousness and Consciousness controls Consciousness. There is no materialism and no contradiction.

Yes, Consciousness brings about Consciousness. Just like a bullet to your head will badly ruin your consciousness.

The bullet isn't material. The bullet is Consciousness. Screaming about materialism will not save you from a bullet.

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5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It doesn't assume materialism is true.

Chemicals are Consciousness and Consciousness controls Consciousness. There is no materialism and no contradiction.

Yes, Consciousness brings about Consciousness. Just like a bullet to your head will badly ruin your consciousness.

The bullet isn't material. The bullet is Consciousness. Screaming about materialism will not save you from a bullet.

What I learned from taking mushrooms is that the mushroom itself is my own hallucination. Psilocybin is part of my dream. I am still not conscious why God designed reality in such a way where certain figments of consciousness (aka chemicals) open or limit consciousness.


“Our most valuable resource is not time, but rather it is consciousness itself. Consciousness is the basis for everything, and without it, there could be no time and no resource possible. It is only through consciousness and its cultivation that one’s passions, one’s focus, one’s curiosity, one’s time, and one’s capacity to love can be actualized and lived to the fullest.” - r0ckyreed

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15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The bullet isn't material. The bullet is Consciousness. Screaming about materialism will not save you from a bullet.

Such is the power of this dream. Is the only escape actual death (consciousness 'killing' itself)?

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9 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

What I learned from taking mushrooms is that the mushroom itself is my own hallucination. Psilocybin is part of my dream. I am still not conscious why God designed reality in such a way where certain figments of consciousness (aka chemicals) open or limit consciousness.

You might as well ask why God designed it that a chainsaw to your head will kill you.

How come a chainsaw is able to kill consciousness?

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10 minutes ago, Vibes said:

Such is the power of this dream. Is the only escape actual death (consciousness 'killing' itself)?

Depends on what you mean by "escape". There's really no escape, only a change of scenery. You can escape certain kinds of scenery.

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1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Depends on what you mean by "escape". There's really no escape, only a change of scenery. You can escape certain kinds of scenery.

I see. So dreams forever.

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2 minutes ago, Vibes said:

I see. So dreams forever.

Well, there is Nothingness. But since there's nothing there it passes in an instant. Only dreams have a sense of time and substance.

You escape into nothingness when you sleep but you don't even feel it since there's nothing to feel.

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33 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You might as well ask why God designed it that a chainsaw to your head will kill you.

How come a chainsaw is able to kill consciousness?

But consciousness is not something that can be killed since it is what imagines/creates death and the chainsaw in the first place. There is no death nor the chainsaw without consciousness. Of course, consciousness right now is very attached to this particular human body’s survival. It’s amazing that consciousness so  focalized to this particular human organism rather than some ape in the jungle. I wonder what is stopping my consciousness from being focalized into Trump? For some reason, consciousness right now wants to play the story of r0ckyreed and not some ape in the jungle. I can only have the first person experience of r0ckyreed in this lifetime. And then maybe I may have the first person experience of an ape in the jungle.

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“Our most valuable resource is not time, but rather it is consciousness itself. Consciousness is the basis for everything, and without it, there could be no time and no resource possible. It is only through consciousness and its cultivation that one’s passions, one’s focus, one’s curiosity, one’s time, and one’s capacity to love can be actualized and lived to the fullest.” - r0ckyreed

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Another question that debunks this whole argument that Consciousness does not depend on anything material is Why isn't a dog as conscious as a human?

Obviously you understand that a dog is nowhere as conscious as a human.

You understand that, right??

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You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Another question that debunks this whole argument that Consciousness does not depend on anything material is Why isn't a dog as conscious as a human?

Obviously you understand that a dog is nowhere as conscious as a human.

You understand that, right??

It’s because of its tiny imaginary brain ;) 


“Our most valuable resource is not time, but rather it is consciousness itself. Consciousness is the basis for everything, and without it, there could be no time and no resource possible. It is only through consciousness and its cultivation that one’s passions, one’s focus, one’s curiosity, one’s time, and one’s capacity to love can be actualized and lived to the fullest.” - r0ckyreed

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God invented psychs to bust through its materialistic illusions (also invented).. genius !

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I believe psychedelics increase the connections between neurons within the brain, as well as promoting growth and strength (prefrontal cortex).

In addition there has been a lot of evidence shown they shut down the default mode network - responsible in part for the identification of the 'self'. No self ay? :P

So I imagine this is part of the mechanism behind removing the illusion of the self and assisting with breaking down deception.

 


Deal with the issue now, on your terms, in your control. Or the issue will deal with you, in ways you won't appreciate, and cannot control.

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Now I’m not advocating this but by this logic since consciousness creates everything can consciousness create its own death or keep existing. For example if consciousness creates the grenade you can put it in your mouth blow yourself up and then quantum immortality you just go to another timeline or fuck all that maybe the grenade does blow up but nothing can affect you since consciousness can’t die by its own creation 

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