Conservative activist, Charlie Kirk, has been shot and killed at University

[Elliott]

On 9/26/2025 at 3:40 AM, Leo Gura said:

No major conservative has called for that. You are talking about crazy extremists.

And progressives call for Bush and Cheney to be punished as war crimimals, but that's not the same thing.

Yes they have. Trump re-tweeted a graphic of Biden hogtied and gagged. Kirk has been reposted in this thread calling for biden to get death penalty.

 

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Edited yesterday at 07:56 PM by Elliott

[zazen]

17 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

This is a really intelligent discussion with Chris Hedges.   He starts out talking about Kirk being turned into a martyr and the importance of martyrs in fascist movements.  He goes on to discuss the right’s goal of consolidation of power and the failure of the democratic party.

 

A good video in relation to this also (best listened to at 1.5x speed)

From Plato to NATO and Dun Kirk to Charlie Kirk - that’s the arc of how civilization weaponizes its own ideals to corrupt itself.

They’re framing this moment as if it’s a fight for Western civilization like those who fought in Dun Kirk. 

Martyrdom machine goes brrrr whilst money printer also goes brrrr whilst end stage capitalism and empire go brrrr bye bye

 

Edited 22 hours ago by zazen

[Inliytened1]

17 hours ago, Emerald said:

The Ice Shooting was against immigrants at the Ice facility... not the officers.

It's just that (because the shooting happened at an Ice facility) the narrative is being twisted to frame the shooting as being reflective of leftwing political violence. But the guy killed immigrants (a common target of right wing political violence)... and people who know him say he wasn't particularly politically motivated. And he was registered as an independent.

 

Well the bullets had anti-ice on them so again...this speaks volumes.  It's like when Robinson's casings had anti-facist on them.  So..of course in the end it is subjective..but i think these things contribute to the mindset and views of the shooter.   It's pretty hard to deny that they were crazy yet rational enough to carve these things into the bullet casings. 

17 hours ago, Emerald said:

 

And it's clear that the Israeli government is doing all sorts of war crimes, starving children, and ethnic cleansing the Palestinian people. 

It is not really that clear if you really look into the conflict and the history of the conflict.  The scorecard. 

Edited 20 hours ago by Inliytened1

[MarkKol]

On 25/09/2025 at 11:09 PM, Leo Gura said:

How quickly Xi would fall if his party let up on their survelience state.

The CCP is certainly afraid of their people.

Would you support a surveillance state in America?

To me, it seems like a very smart idea, and I don't see how it limits anyone's freedom besides criminals

The UK already has 360-degree cameras on vans that scan faces and reveal criminals 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOJoRJ8gBu0/?igsh=MTA5YnBxMjNoeHI1aw==

The UK does arrest people based on stupid things like tweets these days, but that's a totally separate thing from a surveillance state

Edited 18 hours ago by MarkKol

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, MarkKol said:

Would you support a surveillance state in America?

Of course not.

When politics is so corrupt as it is today, a surveillence state will be in the hands of devils.

[MarkKol]

Perhaps I'm too paranoid from all the violent content I get on my feed

Assaults are apparently hitting new lows

[Inliytened1]

2 hours ago, MarkKol said:

Perhaps I'm too paranoid from all the violent content I get on my feed

Assaults are apparently hitting new lows

You're not too paranoid we already have and use CCTV everywhere to solve crimes and such. This would just solidify it.  We already rely on it heavily but it's not enforced so it has caused us to miss solving many crimes where camera systems weren't working in establishments or on streets.  So I think it would be a good idea.  As long as it was used for good.

If you wanna watch a good show on how CCTV has come to the rescue it's a show called See No Evil on the Discovery channel. One of my favorite. 

Edited 15 hours ago by Inliytened1

[ExploringReality]

Am I stupid or is Donald Trump using Kirk's murder as leverage to silence the left or anyone he seems peacefully resisting his authoritarianism? Basically eradicating the first amendment to his will and doing anything he can to take away people's ability to bat an eye or raise concern, using force to suppress dissent

Edited 17 hours ago by ExploringReality

[Inliytened1]

10 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

Am I stupid or is Donald Trump using Kirk's murder as leverage to silence the left or anyone he seems peacefully resisting his authoritarianism? Basically eradicating the first amendment to his will and doing anything he can to take away people's ability to bat an eye or raise concerns?

He is of course using it to score points for the right but what do you mean by eradicating the first ammendment? How would he be stifling your freedom of speech?

Edited 17 hours ago by Inliytened1

[ExploringReality]

6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

He is of course using it to score points for the right but what do you mean by eradicating the first ammendment? How would he be stifling your freedom of speech?

Trump is stifling free speech by rebranding protest as terrorism. Peaceful resistance and protest are literally what the First Amendment protects. When he calls people "domestic terrorists" just for opposing him and sends federal troops to silence them, that’s a direct attack on freedom of speech. It’s not about safety, that's straight up about control.

People are scared to even speak up because he used this term "antifa" as a nebulous concept to blur the lines of free speech and actual terrorism. Basically he can now claim whoever he wants as a domestic terrorists and label them antifa to justify an authoritarian dictator motive and silence anyone who disagrees with his stupid devilishly ruthless ego child agenda. Antifa isn't even an organization or anything. So he's using the fact that it's an amorphous concept to use it against his political opponents 

Edited 17 hours ago by ExploringReality

[Inliytened1]

14 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

Trump is stifling free speech by rebranding protest as terrorism. Peaceful resistance and protest are literally what the First Amendment protects. When he calls people "domestic terrorists" just for opposing him and sends federal troops to silence them, that’s a direct attack on freedom of speech. It’s not about safety, that's straight up about control.

People are scared to even speak up because he used this term "antifa" as a nebulous concept to blur the lines of free speech and actual terrorism. Basically he can now claim whoever he wants as a domestic terrorists and label them antifa to justify an authoritarian dictator motive and silence anyone who disagrees with his stupid devilishly ruthless ego child agenda. Antifa isn't even an organization or anything. So he's using the fact that it's an amorphous concept to use it against his political opponents 

Well..the thing is its rarely used but..and this is from AI:

Yes, a U.S. President can authorize the National Guard to stop protests, but the legal authority to do so is complex and has been a subject of significant legal and political debate. Historically, the National Guard is controlled by state governors. However, the President has the power to "federalize" a state's National Guard unit, placing it under federal command, especially under the Insurrection Act of 1807.

So this is what he has been using to deploy the National Guard to states and overrule the governor there.

Antifa is a real thing he just throws it around whenever he wants 

 

Edited 17 hours ago by Inliytened1

[ExploringReality]

15 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Well..the thing is its rarely used but..and this is from AI:

Yes, a U.S. President can authorize the National Guard to stop protests, but the legal authority to do so is complex and has been a subject of significant legal and political debate. Historically, the National Guard is controlled by state governors. However, the President has the power to "federalize" a state's National Guard unit, placing it under federal command, especially under the Insurrection Act of 1807.

So this is what he has been using to deploy the National Guard to states and overrule the governor there.

Antifa is a real thing he just throws it around whenever he wants 

 

What are your thoughts about this happening?

Also what do you make of Patel's hearing at Capital Hill? It was a shit show

Edited 17 hours ago by ExploringReality

[Inliytened1]

Just now, ExploringReality said:

What are your thoughts about this happening?

I am with you i think it's an abuse of power but it is within his power by law.  Trump is a snake that will slither into every possible corner.  I was against him deploying the National Guard to DC but I guess it ended up not being such a big deal.

[ExploringReality]

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I am with you i think it's an abuse of power but it is within his power by law.  Trump is a snake that will slither into every possible corner.  I was against him deploying the National Guard to DC but I guess it ended up not being such a big deal.

He's basically an adult child. Always center of attention, using his wealth as a form of self worth and value, doesn't pause to think for a second and doesn't consider the cost of his actions on the American people he says he supports. It's a mix of cognitive thrombosis and out of control man child taking over the world.

I was analyzing his early childhood and how he behaved and it's literally the same shit he's doing now but with the privilege of being born into this corrupt distorted luxurious life.

Edited 16 hours ago by ExploringReality

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

He's basically an adult child.

Perfect description.  Haven't heard better.

[Inliytened1]

@ExploringReality

I see a few good things coming from his Presidency though.  I think the increased tarrifs will eventually cause more factories to be built in the US and I think the immigration laws needed to be tightened up.  Open borders wasn't working.  Abortion laws also needed tweaking.  Outside of that..those are the only positives.  Internationally when it comes to wars he has not been the presence everyone thought he would be.  Russia is doing what it wants and so is Israel.  Inflation is still sky high but that's because of the tarrifs and they were high with Biden. But the stuff you mentioned is really negative.   We have to vote democrat coming up.  As long as they aren't going to completely reverse what I stated above.  I do not agree with deporting everyone point blank so I think they went too far with immigration? Maybe find a middle ground.  An illegal that's been here 20 years doing good things for the country shouldn't be kicked out.  I think a review needs to be done.

Edited 16 hours ago by Inliytened1

[ExploringReality]

@Inliytened1

Young kids as young as toddlers have been separated from their families and even died in conditions of immigrant and ice facilities. They are treated like dogs or rats, no medical care, kids are sleeping on the floor with foil paper, it's over crowded, it's fucking despicable man!!!! 

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

@Inliytened1

Young kids as young as toddlers have been separated from their families and even died in conditions of immigrant and ice facilities. They are treated like dogs or rats, no medical care, kids are sleeping on the floor with foil paper, it's over crowded, it's fucking despicable man!!!! 

I hear you brother but what's the solution just keep everyone who is already here here and then close the borders or leave them wide open?

 

[ExploringReality]

13 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I hear you brother but what's the solution just keep everyone who is already here here and then close the borders or leave them wide open?

 

It's nuanced, this is the hot potato. This requires an intelligent answer

[Hatfort]

Trump himself, also Vance, and we can point to Stephen Miller as well, as part of his administration both terms, are using this event to go further in their authoritarianism against the left, which has nothing to do with what happened as far as we know. Tyler Robinson was raised in a rightwing family with early access to weapons and the gun culture, but their narrative is to blame the left. There's zero real evidence that he was involved in politics in any meaningful way. 

The left, meaning I guess the Democratic Party, other organizations, and even influencers, have to undoubtedly condemn this act, where a right-winger was the victim. They have to also be critical of leftists that have celebrated this death, that's not fine. But it doesn't need to paint Kirk as better than he was, and it can't let the authoritarian right step on them, or let them blame them for something they are not responsible for.