Conservative activist, Charlie Kirk, has been shot and killed at University

[Inliytened1]

@Inliytened1

2 hours ago, Recursoinominado said:

What are you talking about?? What "distasteful shit"?

The guy appears to be a legitimate ballistic expert, ex-military/special forces, pointing out inconsistencies in the official FBI version.

Did you even watch it?

Well lucky for you the forum crashed haha

[zurew]

@Leo Gura Next time you will call people rats again I will remember how much you actually care about namecalling and sticking things to the guidelines you dont abide by.

Infinitely rewarding narcissistic and dishonest behavior and demotivating people from calling it out is also a good norm to uphold here, it will do wonders to the quality of the conversations.

Edited 15 hours ago by zurew

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, zurew said:

@Leo Gura Next time you will call people rats again I will remember how much you actually care about namecalling and sticking things to the guidelines you dont abide by.

Infinitely rewarding narcissistic and dishonest behavior and demotivating people from calling it out is also a good norm to uphold here, it will do wonders to the quality of the conversations.

You were one of my favorite guys here and still are.  Just because I questioned your precious left you got all bent out of shape.  Spineless is a bit strong when you havent felt me out.   Use your intuition for a change.

[zurew]

31 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Just because I questioned your precious left

You didnt "question" things , you were using rhetoric and smugness while being ignorant about certain facts (which wouldnt be an issue, if you wouldnt have been smug about it and a "just asking questions guyys" while not actually caring about the answer).

"I dont understand whats the left's issue with Kirk LoL" isn't an honest inquiry and you know that - this is why I called you dishonest and the reason why I called you spineless and no balls is because you pretended that you used devil's advocate once you realized you were looking very silly being your honest self.

Your actual honest position is that you think Kirk was a good guy and also that either the left is worse or just as bad as the right - none of that is playing devil's advocate for you, so you shouldn't pretend otherwise.

 

There is also a reason why you had such an emotional response to the video @Recursoinominado posted, you almost immediately banned a guy for posting a very recent video (that you claimed to be old, which is wrong, it was posted 1 day ago).

 

 

And once again to the centrist, high consciousness, unbiased virtue signalers - being a centrist doesnt mean that you both sides every issue , rather that you call out things as they are and if one side is much worse than the other, then you stick to that and dont pretend otherwise. Nothing is centrist about claming that the guy who shit his pants is as smelly as a guy who didn't shower for 1 day.

Edited 15 hours ago by zurew

[Inliytened1]

26 minutes ago, zurew said:

You didnt "question" things , you were using rhetoric and smugness while being ignorant about certain facts (which wouldnt be an issue, if you wouldnt have been smug about it and a "just asking questions guyys" while not actually caring about the answer).

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Well you're right about one thing. Politics isn't my strong arena.   I'm growing in that area.  But I have learned a lot here and yes you're right if i do refrain from a specific position left or right of the axis so you can call me a centrist.  That's what I am.  However I don't maintain this position from a position of arrogance or smugness at all that is where you mistake me.  It is a curiosity to look at all positions for what they are.  

 

26 minutes ago, zurew said:

 

"I dont understand whats the left's issue with Kirk LoL" isn't an honest inquiry and you know that - this is why I called you dishonest and the reason why I called you spineless and no balls is because you pretended that you used devil's advocate once you realized you were looking very silly being your honest self.

 

No honestly you know what i called out there.  I saw him having leftist ideology and that calling the government fascist aids in this.  I still stand by this and I have examined it thoroughly.   I don't know the shooter but that he engraved fascist in the bullet is all I need to know.

26 minutes ago, zurew said:

 

Your actual honest position is that

There is also a reason why you had such an emotional response to the video @Recursoinominado posted, you almost immediately banned a guy for posting a very recent video (that you claimed to be old, which is wrong, it was posted 1 day ago).

 

 

And once again to the centrist, high consciousness, unbiased virtue signalers - being a centrist doesnt mean that you both sides every issue , rather that you call out things as they are and if one side is much worse than the other, then you stick to that and dont pretend otherwise. Nothing is centrist about claming that the guy who shit his pants is as smelly as a guy who didn't shower for 1 day.

You wanna know the honest Truth? I don't feel like he was a good guy.  He was arrogant.  But that's my bias.  The truth is he was a human being with good intentions. It pains me to think of men like that in such a way but also it pains me to think otherwise.  For me as a Jew admitting Hitler was human is like squeezing water from a rock. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Inliytened1

[zurew]

28 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I saw him having leftist ideology and that calling the government fascist aids in this.  I still stand by this and I have examined it thoroughly.   I don't know the shooter but they he engraved fascist in the blet is all I need to know.

I think there is a good chance that he was a leftist (as far as I know we still dont know his exact motivations why he did it), but there can be many contributing factors why he did it.

If you have leftist values, you dont need to hear any mainstream or alternative media leftist labeling  Charlie Kirk a fascist to be outraged by him. I dont think that labelign him a fascist was a main contributing factor, it was much more about the actual positions he held and the rhetoric he used. Also just the same way I could just randomly pick other random facts about his life and speculate that those were the main contributing factors - like attacking mormons and conservative familys , and claim that the reason why he became the way he did, is because of the conservatives methods and how they raised him.

For example, when it comes to trans issues, regardless how you want to categorize them (whether  you want to claim they have mental illness or not , the reality is that most conservatives including trump and charlie never cared about them - like imagine if you think they are actually mentally ill, then why not ever talk about treatments and why only obsess about girl dick and about attacking their identity - in what other context would we be okay with attacking mentally ill people? ) And again this is only if we go with the idea that they are mentally ill , even though I know very easy ways to cash out why not all of them are mentally ill and how you can be a trans person without needing to claim any false thing or be delusional about anything.

Edited 14 hours ago by zurew

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, zurew said:

I think there is a good chance that he was a leftist (as far as I know we still dont know his exact motivations why he did it), but there can be many contributing factors why he did it.

If you have leftist values, you dont need to hear any mainstream or alternative media leftist labeling  Charlie Kirk a fascist to be outraged by him. I dont think that labelign him a fascist was a main contributing factor, it was much more about the actual positions he held and the rhetoric he used. Also just the same way I could just randomly pick other random facts about his life and speculate that those were the main contributing factors - like attacking mormons and conservative familys , and claim that the reason why he became the way he did, is because of the conservatives methods and how they raised him.

For example, when it comes to trans issues, regardless how you want to categorize them (whether  you want to claim they have mental illness or not , the reality is that most conservatives including trump and charlie never cared about them - like imagine if you think they are actually mentally ill, then why not ever talk about treatments and why only obsess about girl dick and about attacking their identity - in what other context would we be okay with attacking mentally ill people? ) And again this is only if we go with the idea that they are mentally ill , even though I know very easy ways to cash out why not all of them are mentally ill and how you can be a trans person without needing to claim any false thing or be delusional about anything.

The right can be narrow minded but their views on transgenders really drives it home.  This is one of the biggest flaws in their thinking.  

And actually I think its the opposite of mental illness.  Mental illness would be keeping them in a body they weren't meant to be in.

Edited 14 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Watch the distasteful shit or you will be banned.   

Take it easy man.

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Take it easy man.

Don't you think we have better things to discuss then whether it made it through his neck or not.

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Don't you think we have better things to discuss then whether it made it through his neck or not.

People are curious and going to investigate such things. It doesn't make sense to suppress such speech.

And if that post is getting off topic, that's still not reason to ban someone, just a mild correction is enough. He didn't mean anything bad with that post.

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The bullet had no exit wound because it wasn't a direct hit, the bullet bounced off Charlie's steel plate vest and entered his neck going upward into his brainstem. The bullet ended up in his skull. So no exit wound should be expected. Nothing suspcious about that.

The bullet only entered his neck after bouncing off a steel plate under his t-shirt.

Please don't invent conspiracy theories about this incident.

Edited 11 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

People are curious and going to investigate such things. It doesn't make sense to suppress such speech.

 

 

It's kind of sick to discuss this in a political forum in my opinion. But I already knew you would reverse it.  This has zero to do with politics.

[Recursoinominado]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

It's kind of sick to discuss this in a political forum in my opinion. But I already knew you would reverse it.  This has zero to do with politics.

Sorry, but I think you overreacted a bit on this one.

I don't want to be annoying, but this isn't "a political forum".

"Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events"

I do not find "sick" to discuss an assassination in a current political assassination event.

Although I agree it is a tough subject, it evokes strong emotions in people.

Personally, I don't like guns, gore, or conspiracy theories, but the FBI is compromised, and the guy on the video made sense (and it's not a leftist).

But, hey! Let's end things on a high note!

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Recursoinominado said:

Sorry, but I think you overreacted a bit on this one.

I don't want to be annoying, but this isn't "a political forum".

"Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events"

I do not find "sick" to discuss an assassination in a current political assassination event.

Although I agree it is a tough subject, it evokes strong emotions in people.

Personally, I don't like guns, gore, or conspiracy theories, but the FBI is compromised, and the guy on the video made sense (and it's not a leftist).

But, hey! Let's end things on a high note!

all good man lets study it .....ummm ..no thanks.

FBI is compromised..but you aren't into conspiracy theories .

Edited 7 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Hatfort]

Well, I don't think it's a closed case, and the FBI's story has holes. Here is a video that suggests that the bullet entered from the back, and the neck one would be the exit, and the location of the shooter. 

I edit to add another video for the same theory.

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Hatfort

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

Well, I don't think it's a closed case, and the FBI's story has holes. Here is a video that suggests that the bullet entered from the back, and the neck one would be the exit, and the location of the shooter. 

 

So now all the conspiracy theorists come out 😞 as long as you guys have a method to the madness 

[PurpleTree]

29 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

So now all the conspiracy theorists come out 😞 as long as you guys have a method to the madness 

I mean it’s normal because should we trust Kash Patel an Trump? Look at Patels Eyes 👀 

 

The last guy in the video was funny "I didn’t say anything"

[yetineti]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The bullet had no exit wound because it wasn't a direct hit, the bullet bounced off Charlie's steel plate vest and entered his neck going upward into his brainstem. The bullet ended up in his skull. So no exit wound should be expected. Nothing suspcious about that.

The bullet only entered his neck after bouncing off a steel plate under his t-shirt.

@Leo Gura Where did you get this information? I’m not sure it is conclusive.

Edited 6 hours ago by yetineti

[Joshe]

15 hours ago, Nivsch said:

This artificial forgiveness act of her just makes me feel that many months of emotional process and healing are ahead of her.

I think the more deluded and more egotistical, the easier it is to repress and carry the trauma. It’s like a deeply traumatized child - they can be fucked up and not know it for decades. 

Her neediness and all the distractions that she adores will prevent her healing. Her status position got elevated to the highest level she could ever imagine. Powerful and famous people she had never spoken to phoned in to tell her they were sorry. The vice president rushed to her side and flew her away on his private jet. There was a grand spectacle of a memorial where she was the main character, with millions of eyeballs watching her display her virtue.

In other words, her ego got taken for the ride of its life and there’s no telling how she responds when the dust settles, but I suspect she will continue to seek distractions to avoid the work of healing. The ego ain’t got time for all that silence and reflection.

[Elliott]

It's not like the movies, the lack of spray out the back of his neck does not mean it didn't exit, the bullet from a rifle would go through him like butter. I wouldn't believe he was wearing a plate, which would only really cover the heart and lung area anyway. the shirt moving is a Shockwave from the fast bullet, a rifle bullet goes straight through kevlar.

Edited 4 hours ago by Elliott

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

It's not like the movies, the lack of spray out the back of his neck does not mean it didn't exit, the bullet from a rifle would go through him like butter. I wouldn't believe he was wearing a plate, which would only really cover the heart and lung area anyway. the shirt moving is a Shockwave from the fast bullet, a rifle bullet goes straight through kevlar.

No but I guess he should have been coming to these events with a vest.  Trump almost bought the farm and that was the President.   This discussion does prove fruitful in that security will surely be stepped up going forward even for activists like Kirk.  Especially when they are spreading Nazism.

Edited 3 hours ago by Inliytened1