stephenkettley

The 80/20 Of Epistomology

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@Leo Gura Obviously, this is not such a black and white question, as I am sure it depends on a lot of factors, but generally, would you say for anyone looking to deeply learn epistomology and pick one topic to go the deepest on, would you say self-deception is in the top 3? What else within your videos on epistomology would you say make the most difference to learn (like a top 5 according to the 80/20 principle). Thanks.

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Like top 5 general themes to go deepest on to make the most profound impact.

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What belief is.

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1 hour ago, stephenkettley said:

Like top 5 general themes to go deepest on to make the most profound impact.

Impact on whom? To what? What are the key answers you'd like to know? 😊


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  • Comfort with ambiguity (prerequisite)
  • What can and can't be known and what information is useful (scope)
  • Hypothesize with probabilities (methods)
  • Metacognition and cognitive functions (operational mechanisms)
  • Biases (threats)

Those just came off the top. Not that they are the top 5. I think you'd need to define a framework. 

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Context and construct awareness and holism.


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What is Truth? 

What is Authority? - Where Does Truth Done From? 

What is Ideology? 

 


What assumptions, beliefs, or illusions am I under right now?

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The most important thing is to sit down and actual do inquiry into epistemology.

You just sit down and reason it out from scratch using first principles, not books or anything you heard or believe.

Derive epistemology from scratch. That's the actual work. Just reason through how epistemology works.

How is anything known?

What is knowing?

All the best topics naturally follow from that line of questioning. This will lead you to contemplate self-deception, what is belief?, ideology, openmindedness, what is truth?, bias, relativity, construct-awareness, assumptions, egoic mental attachments, not-knowing, skepticism, what is science?, etc.

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Get woke speedrun any%


Don't be shit. Be good.

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18 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The most important thing is to sit down and actual do inquiry into epistemology.

You just sit down and reason it out from scratch using first principles, not books or anything you heard or believe.

Derive epistemology from scratch. That's the actual work. Just reason through how epistemology works.

How is anything known?

What is knowing?

All the best topics naturally follow from that line of questioning. This will lead you to contemplate self-deception, what is belief?, ideology, openmindedness, what is truth?, bias, relativity, construct-awareness, assumptions, egoic mental attachments, not-knowing, skepticism, what is science?, etc.

Is epistemology unique in that you should contemplate it from scratch? 

I remember you saying in "what is insight?," that you should study something first, then go into contemplation. That way you have the dots in your brain to connect and can have insights. 

In general, I struggle understanding when I should study something first, then contemple vs. derive it from first principles.

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9 hours ago, Vali2003 said:

Is epistemology unique in that you should contemplate it from scratch? 

I remember you saying in "what is insight?," that you should study something first, then go into contemplation. That way you have the dots in your brain to connect and can have insights. 

In general, I struggle understanding when I should study something first, then contemple vs. derive it from first principles.

First principles is always ideal. The only problem is that it is hard and takes a long time.

Study is used as a shortcut and gives your mind grist for the contemplation mill.

Epistemology is such a pivotal, foundational topic that you can't really outsource it to anyone else. There are no good books on epistemology. And even if there were, you still need to dervive it for yourself for it to be powerful.

Some areas are worth outsourcing to experts and some are too foundational for that.

The problem with study is that it limits your mind to think along those lines. It creates conformity. Ideally you want your contemplation to be original and independent of mainstream thinking.

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This is one is really profound:

https://youtu.be/Bs9g9B0O0to?si=ziIHPV9pucKgk2Nb

 

The three videos on postmodernism really cleared baggage from modernist epistemology I had.

It's good to think epistemology from scratch as Leo said, this is foundational, yet I have found that even in doing so, there are blind spots that go unnoticed. In this same line, that's why I also recommend the trilogy on deconstructing the myth of science.


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I feel like if you dont take psycodelics you are very far from that 20%

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On 8/22/2025 at 8:43 AM, Alex_R said:

I feel like if you dont take psycodelics you are very far from that 20%

I got that 20% before I ever did psychedelics.

And if I didn't have that 20%, then psychedelics could have really deluded me.

People who do psychedelics without manual epistemic inquiry are very likely to get themselves into epistemic delusion.

So the manual work is essential.

Psychedelics are more about figuring out metaphysics than good epistemology.

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@Leo Gura, so, should people avoid psychedelics till they get that 20%?

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43 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Leo Gura, so, should people avoid psychedelics till they that get 20%?

That's too much to expect of people.


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21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's too much to expect of people.

Too much for what reason?

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11 hours ago, Nemra said:

Too much for what reason?

@Leo Gura, because people are not intelligent enough?

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5 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Leo Gura, because people are not intelligent enough?

People are too lazy to do epistemic work.


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