Women have wildly different interests than men

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Princess Arabia Gosh - having an ego moment looking at my garbage sentence quoted

Agree again.

Men are just as dramatic as women. 

JUST this morning one of the drywallers threw a nail-gun at our supervisor and starting screaming about being disrespected. 'I won't be ordered AROUND BY SOME YOUNG cu** GREEN AROUND THE GILLS SHIT'

Some men fail to realise anger is an emotion - one they engage in FREQUENTLY. And it is usually a mask for what they really feel: sadness, hurt, pain, grief. Again emotion is looked at through a narrow lens without assessing the full spectrum.

Really can't argue with that as an example

 

Edited 13 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Joshe]

2 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Gosh - having an ego moment looking at my garbage sentence quoted

Haha. Next time, be sure to cover all your basis. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Joshe I'm DEAD. END IT ALL NOW

There, I found some FUCKING self left! 

[Joshe]

😂

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Joshe I'm DEAD. END IT ALL NOW

There, I found some FUCKING self left! 

😅

[OBEler]

@Princess Arabia I can say the same about you, you have totally interpreted the intention about my post in your own way. I am not angry at women at all - never was. Just because I want to discuss differences and show that women have low interests outside of themselves doesn't mean that I am angry or that I judge them for this or that I want to change this or helping them getting more intellectual. That are all your projections on that. 

Y

 

Edited 8 hours ago by OBEler

[Carl-Richard]

@OBEler

Do you have many female friends?

Edited 8 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[OBEler]

@Carl-Richard no, do you have? Am I a woman hater now?

[theleelajoker]

7 hours ago, OBEler said:

@Princess Arabia so women keep their insights and tactics about men in secret and won't share that in a male dominated forum so that men have no chance to exploit that?

 

I got great input by women in real life or forum by just asking. My experience was that women tend to understand women very well in most cases and thus are great source of advice. 

Don't know why there's the idea of "exploitation"  and "secrets" when you easily can work together to make interaction between genders better. Says a lot about the lense you see the world through IMO

Edited 7 hours ago by theleelajoker

[OBEler]

@theleelajoker maybe I see the world in a more sober way than you. It's not all about working together and sharing everything.

[theleelajoker]

38 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@theleelajoker maybe I see the world in a more sober way than you. It's not all about working together and sharing everything.

As I said before, my personal experience strongly indicates that the way you see the world does - to a significant degree -  shape the world you experience. I am still amazed how you talk about your deep awakenings, that you recognize how reality is created and cannot see this in this particular point you are making. 

"All sharing and working together" : It's not always, not with everyone, that's not what I said. I know who to talk to, and whom to ask which questions and I get great input and sometimes people do the same and ask me stuff. 

You call it more sober, I call it insecure and scared of opening up. I DARE YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG.

Go out, try it, be more open, drop your believes and assumptions, drop your fears towards "women",  go and and live and act in such way that women are the opposite of what you believe now, and see what happens. Do that honestly for one month, come back and tell me how it went. Then we can have a new discussion. But I don't think you can do that, it's tough to let go of those believes that give you apparent safety and certainty. And we can't change our believes just like that, it takes actual experience and interaction in real life.

Maybe I organize a video call for you, I invite all the women that are interested in the topics you say women are not, all the women I know that give great advice and that share everything they know about men and women alike, would that change your mind? Probably not, because no matter how much direct experience you'll have as long as there is fear in your organism you will go back and say "yeah that's just a small fraction ALL OTHER WOMEN ARE THE OPPOSITE" 

Well, it's up to you, nobody can convince you otherwise  

 

Edit: You say you don't have many female friends. Sister maybe? If so, how's the relationship? Although we also sometimes fight and disagree, all in all my sister is a great example for me re working together, sharing things, supporting each other etc. And I learned it's possible with other women, too. Plus with women outside family you can extend that on further areas   

 

Edited 7 hours ago by theleelajoker

[OBEler]

@theleelajoker What you say is really low basic stuff man. I can say the same about you. Go on the street, open up your self and see women as grifters and exploiters. You will see it.

The difference between people like you and me is I can hold ambivalence in my mind. I can see both positive and negative behaviors in women and am not stuck in one side like you. For me this is a way more sober way to look at reality.

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

25 minutes ago, OBEler said:

 Go on the street, open up your self and see women people as grifters and exploiters. You will see it.

Fixed that for you.

[OBEler]

@Natasha Tori Maru of course you can see that in men too, maybe even worse.

See in context what I wrote. I tried to help this boy to not idealize women too much so I gave him an counter example to his advice to open him up to both sides.

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

13 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Natasha Tori Maru of course you can see that in men too, maybe even worse.

See in context what I wrote. I tried to help this boy to not idealize women too much so I gave him an counter example to his advice to open him up to both sides.

In red - you are speaking to another man, not a boy, yeah? That is a man.

Did he idealize women? I thought he was presenting counters to your argument. He never said women couldn't be grifters/exploiters. And they can be.

I am more challenging you to see that you are misappropriating traits to genders. People are just dickheads really - case closed.

It's fine to generalize - but most of your conclusions are misappropriated AND show negative bias, which, I suspect, is why @theleelajoker raised positive. To bring balance. Saying 'I love women' isn't some get out of jail free card.

The guys here are bringing up stories from direct experience, and you did acknowledge you don't have many female friends/acquaintances. I think we can all agree experience trumps any 'theory' or hearsay. 

Most especially, if you want to see the 'truth' of woman, you cannot be having just shallow surfacy interactions and lack of variety of experience. You also need depth and variety of connection to hit closer to the truth. @theleelajoker provided his experience there. 

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Lyubov]

I too am getting tired of this “women don’t care about truth as much as men” narrative that’s constantly popping up here. What that’s really saying is “women don’t seek how I do therefore I’m more right than them.” No one gender or sex or general human distinction cares more about what’s true than the other.

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[OBEler]

@Natasha Tori Maru "People are just dickheads really - case closed."

Does that look like an open mind? 

He wrote:

"Don't know why there's the idea of "exploitation"  and "secrets" when you easily can work together to make interaction between genders better. Says a lot about the lense you see the world through IMO"

That's some form of idealizing genders in both ways.

By the way I never judged women about being not interested in abstract things. It just was an neutral observation, the negative projection comes from your own mind. To say that there must be now a balance to this because it's negative, is somehow biased.

Edited 5 hours ago by OBEler

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 minute ago, OBEler said:

By the way I never judged women about being not interested in abstract things. 

What? I didn't make any comments about women not being into abstract things? Are we having the same conversation? I don't have anything to say on the matter.

2 minutes ago, OBEler said:

It just was an neutral observation, the negative projection comes from your own mind. 

Okay so ...

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

Go on the street, open up your self and see women as grifters and exploiters. You will see it

is positive?

4 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Natasha Tori Maru "People are just dickheads really - case closed."

Does that look like an open mind? 

Are we discussing open minds? Can you stay on point - are you deviating around in an attempt to subtly undermine my character implying I do not have an open mind? Let's not forget you were the one to label women as grifters & exploiters here. Who really has a closed mind? Notice it is only you pushing this narrative with a whole thread of actualizers being like 'Nah, no lol'. AND YOU STILL WON"T BUDGE. Additionally - the point I was making was your blatant gender misappropriation.

11 minutes ago, OBEler said:

"Don't know why there's the idea of "exploitation"  and "secrets" when you easily can work together to make interaction between genders better. Says a lot about the lense you see the world through IMO"

That's some form of idealizing genders in both ways.

No idea what the point is.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Lyubov Yep

[OBEler]

@Natasha Tori Maru What you do right now is mixing my answers in different contexts and therefore misunderstand things. That way it is hard to discuss with you,  so I will leave it by that quote from you again:

"The guys here are bringing up stories from direct experience, and you did acknowledge you don't have many female friends/acquaintances."

I have right now not much female girlfriends because I have a girlfriend and a full-time job so not much time.I am a little bit older than most people here. In my age as a man that's pretty normal. You are coming up with wild conclusions about me, you don't know my life experience. You don't understand that I was young too and had plenty of experiences with women already.

How you behave here is not what an open mind looks like for me.

 

Edited 5 hours ago by OBEler