Implications of no free will (no responsibility?)

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Wilhelm44 said:

And what led you to seeing this in a way that made it stick. Was it a big awakening or a gradual process of having many glimpses ?

This is all just a story but from seeing the infinite nature of things and how everything is playing out and how there's just no end to anything. This isn't something personal that I have, in fact, it's a loss. It's a loss that was never owned to begin with. All the knowledge that I've acquired and all the unanswered questions. All the posts read, all the experiences, all the teachings and gurus and everything put it all together. Life is simply just happening with no one in the driver's seat.

It's all concepts, ideas and stories, all of it. It's nothing there but raw unfiltered, unprocessed, timeless, energy being everything, including this body, feelings, emotions, etc. It's real and raw, yet, unreal at the same time. Like a reflection of a tree in the water, the tree is there but it's just a reflection. That's what this kinda is. Its not a mirror nor a reflection, it's just nothing being everything. I can tell because when I go to sleep, there's nothing there and when I wake up, it all comes back. That's the clue the only clue apart from everyone sharing the same senses. It's energetic.

[Wilhelm44]

14 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

This is all just a story but from seeing the infinite nature of things and how everything is playing out and how there's just no end to anything. This isn't something personal that I have, in fact, it's a loss. It's a loss that was never owned to begin with. All the knowledge that I've acquired and all the unanswered questions. All the posts read, all the experiences, all the teachings and gurus and everything put it all together. Life is simply just happening with no one in the driver's seat.

It's all concepts, ideas and stories, all of it. It's nothing there but raw unfiltered, unprocessed, timeless, energy being everything, including this body, feelings, emotions, etc. It's real and raw, yet, unreal at the same time. Like a reflection of a tree in the water, the tree is there but it's just a reflection. That's what this kinda is. Its not a mirror nor a reflection, it's just nothing being everything. I can tell because when I go to sleep, there's nothing there and when I wake up, it all comes back. That's the clue the only clue apart from everyone sharing the same senses. It's energetic.

Much thanks

[Ishanga]

The very fact that there are various opinions, beliefs, understandings, experiences of Reality as it is (all this indicates a range of possibilities) proves that Free Will exists, ppl are choosing what to believe, think, understand and experience, its only a matter of how Conscious You are of this process (again its Karma at play, whether You believe in Karma or not it exists, you couldn't function, type, start posts, reply to posts without karma existing)..

Why have Free Will? Because Life goes allot more smoothly when You are aware of Your Free Will abilities and it allows You to reach higher up Potentials within Yourself (think Homeless/Broke/Addicted vs. Thriving/Creative Energy/Peace/Blissful naturally).. 

Deny it all You want, nothing will happen in Your life if You don't have the basics set, basics are ability to use Free Will and Peaceful nature...

 

[Princess Arabia]

40 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

The very fact that there are various opinions, beliefs, understandings, experiences of Reality as it is (all this indicates a range of possibilities) proves that Free Will exists

The very fact that peeing exists, doesn't prove people have the free will to choose to have to pee or not. Let me see you choose to not pee for the rest of your life. Peeing happens. Beliefs happen, understandings happen and opinions happen. One is only different in your eyes from another because the observer made a distinction. No you and there's no free will to decide, decisions happen.

[SOUL]

17 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Alriiiight

I find it interesting how you are both accusatory, in seemingly being incredulous about how I could 'know', and also incurious, by not even inquiring about my perspective on it.

Maybe it's because you believe you have no choice in being that way.

I will give you a vague hint just as a seed of contemplation if you so choose to consider it.

In the climate of a culture that had extreme binary conceptual and theological teachings characterized as asceticism and hedonism in pursuit of enlightenment, the Buddha taught the middle way.

[SOUL]

14 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Hehe, you're also 'not in character', as you put it. There's no one there as there's no one here. I'm not in or out of character. A sense of me still pervades, it's seen to not be real, but no one saw that. There's no one here trying to be a 'no me' or claiming to not be a "me". It's quite obvious there's just no one anywhere.

No one quoted this either...

[SOUL]

7 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

The very fact that peeing exists, doesn't prove people have the free will to choose to have to pee or not.

To pee or not to pee, that is not the question.

[VeganAwake]

The body just reacts and seemingly makes decisions.

The self illusion is that which seemingly takes ownership & believes it's the reactor and decision maker.....the puppet master!

There's no free will because there isn't a "you" in the body doing ANYTHING. 

❤️ 

[Princess Arabia]

5 hours ago, SOUL said:

No one quoted this either...

Soul placed his finger on the quote button and quoted my remark, yes. Doesn't mean an actual person did that. Soul is not an actual person. Soul is life quoting life, whatever life wants to call itself. Soul or Princess Arabia, those are just names life gave itself. Life is doing life. Arrogance thinks it's doing anything. You're no one. You don't even know how you got here and who you are unless some other nobody told you. 

[Princess Arabia]

5 hours ago, SOUL said:

To pee or not to pee, that is not the question.

Pee doesn't need a person to pee, just a body.

[PurpleTree]

5 hours ago, SOUL said:

In the climate of a culture that had extreme binary conceptual and theological teachings characterized as asceticism and hedonism in pursuit of enlightenment, the Buddha taught the middle way.

Good for him. And?

[vibv]

@PurpleTree Why do you think there's no free will?

THE WILL is fundamental to existence and it is totally free and unbound by anything. Being in a mechanistic universe is a misconception of the rational mind seeing the universe through its distorting lens of logic that allows no contradictions to exist, but this is false. Rather, it's true, but a limited perspective.

Though there are not many "wills" so to speak—The Will is One.

Edited Saturday at 12:30 PM by vibv

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, vibv said:

Why do you think there's no free will?

There is free will alright; but no one has it. That's the difference. That's what I'm saying when I say there's no free will. I mean no one has free will. There's no one to have free will. Matter of fact, there's no will at all, that's a stipulation or a label or a boundary and suggests meaning; there is just simply unconditional freedom. No conditions to be what it is.

[PurpleTree]

21 minutes ago, vibv said:

@PurpleTree Why do you think there's no free will?

I don’t know.

[vibv]

17 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

There is free will alright; but no one has it. That's the difference. That's what I'm saying when I say there's no free will. I mean no one has free will. There's no one to have free will. Matter of fact, there's no will at all, that's a stipulation or a label or a boundary and suggests meaning; there is just simply unconditional freedom. No conditions to be what it is.

JHWH—I Am That I Am. This is what the Will is.

[vibv]

14 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I don’t know.

I saw it in a grand vision once. IT is totally free and not only that but—creative, humorous, glowing, unbound. It is NOTHING that generates ALL. Pure Divine Creativity, totally free.

And Not only that, but we ALL have that Pure Divine Creativity in us.

It's an improvised Performance Play of Infinite Intelligence & Creative Consciousness itself with itself.

Edited Saturday at 01:05 PM by vibv

[Princess Arabia]

9 minutes ago, vibv said:

JHWH—I Am That I Am. This is what the Will is.

.....and also the dream.

[vibv]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

.....and also the dream.

But the Will is so powerful, that the dream becomes real

[PurpleTree]

6 minutes ago, vibv said:

I saw it in a grand vision once. IT is totally free and not only that but—creative, humorous, glowing, unbound. It is NOTHING that generates ALL. Pure Divine Creativity, totally free.

And Not only that, but we ALL have that Pure Divine Creativity in us. It's an improvised Performance Play of Infinite Intelligence & Consciousness itself with itself.

Well i also had visions and stuff. You could say that the universe has its will and so on if that’s what you’re into. But that’s kind of unknowable imo. Just because you have a vision doesn’t make it true. And this here thread kind of talks about the separate self and responsibility.

[Princess Arabia]

4 minutes ago, vibv said:

But the Will is so powerful, that the dream becomes real

Seems....nothing becomes anything. Everything is as it is only appears as becoming. Linear perception of the illusory observer.

Edited Saturday at 01:13 PM by Princess Arabia