Implications of no free will (no responsibility?)

[Wilhelm44]

35 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

There is no creation. Creation implies time and space of which there is none. Love being responsible for everything implies there's something else that's not responsible for everything. Saying Love is responsible for everything is saying there is Love and then there is everything. Love is not responsible for anything. Unconditional love is all there is, meaning there are no conditions for anything being. It just is regardless of.....this or that isn't there or here because of love's responsibility. There are no real objects. I'm done. It's OK. Doesn't matter.

There is the illusion of a creation, right ? And is that not God's Will ? Is everything you see in front of you right now not God's Will ?

Edited Thursday at 06:08 PM by Wilhelm44

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Wilhelm44 said:

There is the illusion of a creation, right ? And is that not God's Will ? Is everything you see in front of you right now not God's Will ?

Everything in front of me right now is God. There is no God's will. God's and (will) are two different things which implies separation of which there isn't any. God did not create anything. God is everything. There is no illusion of a creation. The only illusion is the person inside the body thinking there's a person there that sees creation and that there is something in front of it. There's really nothing in front, behind, beside or away from me because space doesn't actually exist. That's the illusion and neither do I exist as an I. There is no I there is an appearance of a body, appearance of objects and appearance of time and space. Those are all illusory but only if viewed by a separate illusory person. No person, then it's all just appearing and no one there to make any distinctions.

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, SOUL said:

It's quite obvious, how can you not know this?

I‘m not buying it. 

[Salvijus]

Everything has a will. 

The will of anger is to kill

The will of fear is to contract. 

The will of joy is to extend and share

The will of the Self is to love Itself. 

You are the Self. And your will is to love and celebrate existence. 

God's will is Self-love. 

Edited Thursday at 07:49 PM by Salvijus

[SOUL]

12 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I‘m not buying it. 

There's nothing to buy and I'm not selling...it is what it is, even if you don't know it.

[Wilhelm44]

33 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Everything in front of me right now is God. There is no God's will. God's and (will) are two different things which implies separation of which there isn't any. God did not create anything. God is everything. There is no illusion of a creation. The only illusion is the person inside the body thinking there's a person there that sees creation and that there is something in front of it. There's really nothing in front, behind, beside or away from me because space doesn't actually exist. That's the illusion and neither do I exist as an I. There is no I there is an appearance of a body, appearance of objects and appearance of time and space. Those are all illusory but only if viewed by a separate illusory person. No person, then it's all just appearing and no one there to make any distinctions.

I am curious, if that is your experience of reality, do you still have any suffering ?

Edited Thursday at 08:07 PM by Wilhelm44

[PurpleTree]

32 minutes ago, SOUL said:

There's nothing to buy and I'm not selling...it is what it is, even if you don't know it.

You’re trying to sell your knowledge. Which is illusory.

[Ishanga]

@PurpleTree You've been responding (response ability) to all these responses to your OP, prove positive that Free Will and Response Ability exists, most do not even fathom this in their life, but everything that is happening to them within themselves Experientially is either a reaction or response, reaction is Unconsciousness (like walking around with a blindfold on), responding is Consciousness (walking around with eyes wide open).

Anyone that has more than one post here proves that Free Will and Response Ability exists lol.. 

It comes at various levels, Karma is at play (the Tendencies and Habits/Conditioning) that is ruling Your life, the more You are Unconscious of Your Karma, the less Free Will/Responsibility You have, and visa versa.. The main thing with Free Will is not about having total control of Life situations, but Total Control of Your Life Experience, the Greatest Spiritual Master, all knowing, all Seeing, all Experiencing can still be hit by a car and die by accident..

So Free Will is our basic Capability, to not exert even a bit of it is tragedy... 

 

 

[PurpleTree]

17 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

@PurpleTree You've been responding (response ability) to all these responses to your OP, prove positive that Free Will and Response Ability exists, most do not even fathom this in their life, but everything that is happening to them within themselves Experientially is either a reaction or response, reaction is Unconsciousness (like walking around with a blindfold on), responding is Consciousness (walking around with eyes wide open).

Anyone that has more than one post here proves that Free Will and Response Ability exists lol.. 

It comes at various levels, Karma is at play (the Tendencies and Habits/Conditioning) that is ruling Your life, the more You are Unconscious of Your Karma, the less Free Will/Responsibility You have, and visa versa.. The main thing with Free Will is not about having total control of Life situations, but Total Control of Your Life Experience, the Greatest Spiritual Master, all knowing, all Seeing, all Experiencing can still be hit by a car and die by accident..

So Free Will is our basic Capability, to not exert even a bit of it is tragedy... 

 

 

Lol that’s your proof? 
 

 

[Ishanga]

8 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Lol that’s your proof? 
 

 

Where's Your Proof that Free Will/Responsibility doesn't exist??

Are we all just to take Your word as absolute Truth, I don't think so...

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Where's Your Proof that Free Will/Responsibility doesn't exist??

Are we all just to take Your word as absolute Truth, I don't think so...

Ok so let’s agree to disagree.

You can have your karma and guru and free will and i can have nothing.

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Ok so let’s agree to disagree.

You can have your karma and guru and free will and i can have nothing.

Ok,,

By the way that is a choice, if there are options available then choice is available, I have my karma, guru and free will, and You have nothing, that is choice as stated above which indicates Free Will...

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

Ok,,

By the way that is a choice, if there are options available then choice is available, I have my karma, guru and free will, and You have nothing, that is choice as stated above which indicates Free Will...

 Obviously when i say there‘s probably no free will means that choice is only seemingly a choice. That’s the whole point.

[SOUL]

4 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

You’re trying to sell your knowledge. Which is illusory.

You created the thread selling beliefs and 'knowledge' about free will but I replied implying that I wasn't interested in 'buying' the misperception of free will you are offering here because it is not as such...what you are offering is illusory.

[PurpleTree]

9 hours ago, SOUL said:

You created the thread selling beliefs and 'knowledge' about free will but I replied implying that I wasn't interested in 'buying' the misperception of free will you are offering here because it is not as such...what you are offering is illusory.

Alriiiight

[Someone here]

Spiritually speaking :

of course there is no egoic free will since the ego or the separate self doesn't even exist so how can it said to have a will ? And therefore definitely personal responsibility is a joke .no one has the slightest idea what he or she is doing .

Practically speaking :

you appear as a human being with face and eyes and ass etc..and it seems like your actions has consequences. You kill someone you gonna go to jail .so of course you will always be regarded as responsible for your actions. So stop justifying jerking off .

[Princess Arabia]

18 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I am curious, if that is your experience of reality, do you still have any suffering ?

That is not my experience of reality and I don't own any suffering. You're giving me things when there's no one here to own anything. Experience seems to happen and suffering can arise, neither are owned. 

Edited Friday at 02:51 PM by Princess Arabia

[Wilhelm44]

4 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

That is not my experience of reality and I don't own any suffering. You're giving me things when there's no one here to own anything. Experience seems to happen and suffering can arise, neither are owned. 

That's really cool, so there are no more moments where you slip back into identifying with the character ?

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

That's really cool, so there are no more moments where you slip back into identifying with the character ?

Hehe, you're also 'not in character', as you put it. There's no one there as there's no one here. I'm not in or out of character. A sense of me still pervades, it's seen to not be real, but no one saw that. There's no one here trying to be a 'no me' or claiming to not be a "me". It's quite obvious there's just no one anywhere.

Edited Friday at 03:01 PM by Princess Arabia

[Wilhelm44]

7 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Hehe, you're also 'not in character', as you put it. There's no one there as there's no one here. I'm not in or out of character. A sense of me still pervades, it's seen to not be real, but no one saw that. There's no one here trying to be a 'no me' or claiming to not be a "me". It's quite obvious there's just no one anywhere.

And what led you to seeing this in a way that made it stick. Was it a big awakening or a gradual process of having many glimpses ?