How to transcend physical pain

[Sugarcoat]

On 2025-07-24 at 7:02 PM, Breakingthewall said:

Sure, psychedelic works but that's depends about some factors. First, each person's innate structure, and second, intention. The intention must be one of openness, dissolution, and surrender. That is, if what you want is to see things, to understand, then you constantly situate yourself in a separate position. If your intention is openness, then it's possible.

It's quite simple. At a certain point, you realize that you are not looking at reality, but that you are reality. You truly realize, that there is no outside, there is no observer; this is the reality. Then, the opening can occur, which is that you, as reality, break through the limits. You are total, you have no bottom, and the vitality that emerges and permeates everything is totally obvious. You realize that you are that, that living substance that is synonymous with limitlessness. It's not that it is alive as biology, but that, being limitless, it is, and is total, everything. 

The point is achieving that openess easy, every day. At first maybe you need psychedelics, then you start to do adjustments in you energetic structure, they happen unconsciously, it's like everything else, if you really want becoming a professional boxer you will do little by little adjustments in your structure in that direction, if you really want openess, same, and things outside start to be synchronized. 

Thank you

[Ishanga]

You transcend it by not being so intouch with it, the Body and Mind complex, right now the majority of Us are super Attached or Identified with our Body/Mind complex whether we are Conscious or Unconscious of it! The more Identified with Body/Mind You are the more anything that touches it will hurt, its that simple, the opposite is true too, the more removed and detached/unidentified with it You are, the less it hurts..

The Path of going thru intense Suffering as a way to Realization is a very dangerous path, especially today with super identification situations with many aspects of one's self the people are involved with, most will not make it to the other side like the like of Frankl and others, much better to go the Peace or Bliss path, as slower and steadier/safer path for sure imo...

[Someone here]

17 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

It’s ok

For absolute majority suffering ends when we die

Some even say enlightenment isn’t end to suffering

So who knows

The guy in the video I sent about mindfulness and pain has at least transcended the physical. But he had to go through a lot to get to that point

I don’t know if Buddha achieved it in his life

OK I see . My point once again I can't conceive of the end of suffering as long as forms and limitations and lack and need exist In this world . If death is pure fucking eternal sleep then unfortunately that's the only way to escape suffering permanently. And unfortunately death is just like sleeping you take a pause to refresh and then start all over again =reincarnation. 

But buddhism actually teaches Nirvana or permanent nothingness if you conquer desire .

Edited yesterday at 12:01 PM by Someone here

[Sugarcoat]

9 hours ago, Someone here said:

OK I see . My point once again I can't conceive of the end of suffering as long as forms and limitations and lack and need exist In this world . If death is pure fucking eternal sleep then unfortunately that's the only way to escape suffering permanently. And unfortunately death is just like sleeping you take a pause to refresh and then start all over again =reincarnation. 

But buddhism actually teaches Nirvana or permanent nothingness if you conquer desire .

Some say no-self is equal to suffering , so if you die before you die then you might be freed in this life at least

[Inliytened1]

On 7/23/2025 at 1:37 PM, Sugarcoat said:

Once I heard Eckhart Tolle say you can awaken under deep suffering. He mentioned how there was a man who awoke during the holocaust

It seems under deep suffering there can happen an “inevitable surrender” of the ego that drops all resistance and you awaken and the suffering is transcended.

The thing is though that this is extremely extremely rare. Maybe 0.0001% chance of this happening. 
 

So I invented a method

Basically in order to actualize this 0.0001 % chance of this happening to you, what you’re gonna do is put yourself through absolutely extreme suffering

Im talking do something like sell yourself to the Mexican cartel, or to sadists on the dark web.
 

Or do something like David Goggins run so hard you break all the bones in your feet and end up with kidney failure, rhabdomyolysis, and pissing blood.

Then you just keep putting yourself through this absolute torture over and over and again and hope for the best and sooner or later the “inevitable surrender” of the ego might happen and you actualize the 0.0001 % chance and you awaken and transcend the pain and the suffering is gone .

And if it doesn’t work in this lifetime what you do is that when you die and reincarnate you just do it all over again and keep going over lifetimes until you actualize that 0.00001 % of awakening and transcending the pain 

You’re with me? Aight. That was my method. Enjoy (or not)

Youre egoic and limited state of consciousness limits you to what you can transcend.  But if you reach mystical states of consciousness you can transcend suffering.  It's just very difficult because your current state of consciousness is limited to the physical body.  You really need an awakening or a mystical state of consciousness to negate any physical suffering

 

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Youre egoic and limited state of consciousness limits you to what you can transcend.  But if you reach mystical states of consciousness you can transcend suffering.  It's just very difficult because your current state of consciousness is limited to the physical body.  You really need an awakening or a mystical state of consciousness to negate any physical suffering

 

I don’t know if it’s obvious that my post was a joke (the torturing yourself part)?

I think the same as you, although maybe you have realized it directly, which I haven’t.

I heard a story about a guy who transcoded physical pain through extreme amount of mindfulness practice (kind of like focusing attention on the pain or something). So he probably rewired his brain, achieved some altered state of consciousness when he did that

[Inliytened1]

12 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I don’t know if it’s obvious that my post was a joke (the torturing yourself part)?

I think the same as you, although maybe you have realized it directly, which I haven’t.

I heard a story about a guy who transcoded physical pain through extreme amount of mindfulness practice (kind of like focusing attention on the pain or something). So he probably rewired his brain, achieved some altered state of consciousness when he did that

I just saw the title and sorry didn't realize it was a joke. I know here we are serious here about spiritual answers.  But the bottom line is I think you understand that it can be transcended.  

 

 

[Sugarcoat]

8 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I just saw the title and sorry didn't realize it was a joke. I know here we are serious here about spiritual answers.  But the bottom line is I think you understand that it can be transcended.  

 

 

Even if it’s a joke it could maybe work (the idea of actively putting yourself through extreme suffering as a means to try to transcend it) but I am not brave enough to do that and most aren’t either .

Yea I am open to the idea it can be transcended but I think it’s extremely difficult 

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[Inliytened1]

26 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Even if it’s a joke it could maybe work (the idea of actively putting yourself through extreme suffering as a means to try to transcend it) but I am not brave enough to do that and most aren’t either .

Yea I am open to the idea it can be transcended but I think it’s extremely difficult 

You don't have to sit naked on an ice cold mountain. Recklessness is enough to cause sufficient suffering for awakening.  Fear is the barrier.  And after awakening physical suffering is a dream 

 

Edited yesterday at 10:42 PM by Inliytened1

[UnbornTao]

Start by making a distinction between pain and suffering. You can leave pain aside for now, as it is a more advanced topic.

Begin with the non-physical, mental-emotional unnecessary suffering you like to engage in habitually, and pick a minor form of that. 

Catch yourself in the act by paying attention to what you're 'thinking.'

But you have to do the work, otherwise it's just more ineffective mental activity. And the recognition needs to be experiential!

Could it be that we actually want our suffering? If so, we might as well fully embrace it and enjoy it - though doing so will likely change our relationship to it. After all, suffering is defined as enduring an unwanted experience. If we shift - genuinely - to wanting the experience, then to the degree we do, suffering cannot occur.

Edited yesterday at 11:00 PM by UnbornTao

[Sugarcoat]

16 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

You don't have to sit naked on an ice cold mountain. Recklessness is enough to cause sufficient suffering for awakening.  Fear is the barrier.  And after awakening physical suffering is a dream 

 

I have transcended my social fears

I have transcended my existential fear

I have transcended fear of having a bad self image

But I have yet to transcend fear of the physical suffering 

 

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[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I have transcended my social fears

I have transcended my existential fear

I have transcended fear of having a bad self image

But I have yet to transcend fear of the physical suffering 

 

Everything is a state of consciousness.   Even that. It's the biggest barrier only because of the state of consciousness. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Inliytened1

[PurpleTree]

6 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I have transcended my social fears

I have transcended my existential fear

I have transcended fear of having a bad self image

That’s amazing though that those fell away.

[Sugarcoat]

16 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Start by making a distinction between pain and suffering. You can leave pain aside for now, as it is a more advanced topic.

 

Physical pain is so advanced that’s why most don’t talk about it in spirituality (or because they don’t deal with it). Seems few people know how to tackle it

16 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Begin with the non-physical, mental-emotional unnecessary suffering you like to engage in habitually, and pick a minor form of that. 

Catch yourself in the act by paying attention to what you're 'thinking.'

But you have to do the work, otherwise it's just more ineffective mental activity. And the recognition needs to be experiential!

 

Pretty much the only mental suffering I deal with nowadays is my own anticipation of pain. Imagining in my mind how bad it might become

And I recognize that it’s something my mind is doing, how it’s not necessary and isn’t helping me, it doesn’t change anything.

Its not a constant thing , most of the time I feel okay , but it happens

Actually sometimes I find my mind makes it out to be worse than when I actually go through it

I have made some improvements to it to a certain degree. I used to be more stressed about it in the past (I even got these weird brain zaps from stress at some point)

What I did is that I shifted my mindset a little. Meaning I shifted the way my mind was relating to it, rather than quieting my mind.

I could practice just quieting my mind. By for example focusing my attention on a sense perception (I find that quiets the mind). 

16 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Could it be that we actually want our suffering? If so, we might as well fully embrace it and enjoy it - though doing so will likely change our relationship to it. After all, suffering is defined as enduring an unwanted experience. If we shift - genuinely - to wanting the experience, then to the degree we do, suffering cannot occur.

I have a hard time with this . It’s not pleasant when the mind is running around in circles trying to deal with something that feels negative. I can change my mind a little and perhaps quiet it with practice but to actually enjoy it feels kinda super human to me

 

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[Sugarcoat]

4 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

That’s amazing though that those fell away.

Thanks

Yea I used to have social anxiety in my teens. Chronic anxiety as a child (the existential). 
 

 I used to be obsessed with my physical apperance

I used to seek to have pleasant self imagine

So yea those are gone. It took time

 

[Sugarcoat]

8 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Everything is a state of consciousness.   Even that. It's the biggest barrier only because of the state of consciousness. 

Yea it seems if we alter our minds and state of consciousness we could change how we experience reality 

[James123]

9 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Everything is a state of consciousness.   Even that. It's the biggest barrier only because of the state of consciousness. 

İf one day, you realize that anything that you have experience or experienced were an illusion. What would you do? 😊 

[Inliytened1]

29 minutes ago, James123 said:

İf one day, you realize that anything that you have experience or experienced were an illusion. What would you do? 😊 

Smile.

[James123]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

Smile.

Love you man 😊 

[UnbornTao]

@Sugarcoat But why is physical your concern? Rarely is that the prominent form of suffering for most of us. There's not much that can be done about physical pain, except understanding what it is at its root. But again, that's advanced shit.

52 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Pretty much the only mental suffering I deal with nowadays is my own anticipation of pain. Imagining in my mind how bad it might become.

What you are suffering is fear, so your subject could be fear, first and foremost.

Stop imagining a future and pain can't be feared. Whenever something physically painful occurs, you may well suffer that, but at least the double suffering of fearing pain is no longer present.

Suffering has many forms. We generally can notice how such seemingly innocuous experiences such as craving something or being jealous can be based on suffering. So, lots to uncover in this domain. 

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And I recognize that it’s something my mind is doing, how it’s not necessary and isn’t helping me, it doesn’t change anything.

I invite you to consider, you don't. You think you do, but aren't making the connections in your experience yet.

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Its not a constant thing , most of the time I feel okay , but it happens

Actually sometimes I find my mind makes it out to be worse than when I actually go through it

It happens because you do it. You are responsible for it. This may be difficult to see but it is an essential recognition. We're talking about mental-emotional suffering, not physical pain.

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I could practice just quieting my mind. By for example focusing my attention on a sense perception (I find that quiets the mind). 

Wonderful. That helps. Also, focus on your breathing, and breath from the center (slightly below one's navel).

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I have a hard time with this . It’s not pleasant when the mind is running around in circles trying to deal with something that feels negative. I can change my mind a little and perhaps quiet it with practice but to actually enjoy it feels kinda super human to me

Who's doing your mind?

Again, small experiments are useful here. For example, when experiencing discomfort while sitting down, can you find something that isn't strictly physical, such as annoyance or impatience? Stay with that a little and question it as it occurs. We can learn a lot from that, hopefully make new distinctions.

Edited 7 hours ago by UnbornTao