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How to transcend physical pain

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24 minutes ago, James123 said:

Because, Life begins with mind. End the mind now, and be conscious of where you are, and what You are. 😊 

Why? If you hit your head now and your memory is erased, does that mean you didn't exist yesterday?

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10 hours ago, Rishabh R said:

@Sugarcoat I think that physical pain can be transcended sometimes while sometimes it results in death. Which is the end of pain in either case. 

Whereas emotional pain can be transcended with the right relationship to it. For example acceptance and embracing of distress. This may sound extremely counterintuitive but it's true. Reality is not all sunshine and rainbows but it's not all dark. However, to reach the heaven you need to go through hell( Metaphorically speaking). To get to the positive you need to go through the negative.

That’s a solid mindset

I think it’s possible to transcend both but it requires extreme mindfulness 

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40 minutes ago, James123 said:

Because, Life begins with mind. End the mind now, and be conscious of where you are, and what You are. 😊 

I feel my brain produces my mind

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15 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I feel my brain produces my mind

Same belief. Even if someone open your skull, where are you in the brain? 

Moreover, the mind or brain is actually entire universe.

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"It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows."

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31 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Why? If you hit your head now and your memory is erased, does that mean you didn't exist yesterday?

No. İf you think yesterday, or tomorrow, you are actually thinking in Now. Therefore, yesterday or tomorrow is now. Anything and everything is happening in Now.


"It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows."

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Just now, James123 said:

No. İf you think yesterday, or tomorrow, you are actually thinking in Now. Therefore, yesterday or tomorrow is now. Anything and everything is happening in Now.

9 minutes ago, James123 said:

 

Then why you always say that reality is before your birth? 

Yes anything is happening now, but happened yesterday, and will happen tomorrow. It's a thought, but a thought that describe a reality 

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20 minutes ago, James123 said:

Same belief. Even if someone open your skull, where are you in the brain? 

Moreover, the mind or brain is actually entire universe.

You as a human structure are a product of your brain that is product of the reality. You as an structure can be open to your real nature, that is the nature of everything. With that structure reality perceives itself. It can do in infinite perspectives, all are the same reality. That about where are you is meaningless, I'm in the subway now, and? What is the point is being open to the absolute. 

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3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You as a human structure are a product of your brain that is product of the reality. You as an structure can be open to your real nature, that is the nature of everything. With that structure reality perceives itself. It can do in infinite perspectives, all are the same reality. That about where are you is meaningless, I'm in the subway now, and? What is the point is being open to the absolute. 

Experiencing the subway is the absolute gift. You need to Be core of Being. From nothing you have a body. Therefore, you are actually stuck in random human life as thinking that you it is just the subway. Therefore, looking for meaningless "İnfinite" therefore attached with infinite or thinking or expectations. 

However, if You are conscious of what You really are, even writing these sentences are absolute magic, beauty. So, no need to search for anything. Because, all is beauty of absolute already.


"It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows."

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21 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then why you always say that reality is before your birth? 

Do you mean the Truth as saying reality? Because, I never say reality, I say what is absolutely real.

30 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes anything is happening now, but happened yesterday, and will happen tomorrow. It's a thought, but a thought that describe a reality 

Reality is a thought itself.


"It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows."

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There ain't transcending pain as long as you live in this body made of bones and flesh which gets super hungry and thirsty and sleepy every 12 hours .

When you die and (probably) play chess with God in his house called nothingness then there will be no pain. Buddhists call this nirvana . But you have to stop  the reincarnation cycle by not giving a dam about anything under the sun aka detachment.


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

I feel my brain produces my mind

Obvious, no human brain no human structure. But that's not "materialistic paradigm", the brain is an energetic construction that arises in the reality, it's not "material", that is meaningless, it exist, it's an structure, same that anything else that exists. It's the result of the structure of life that's the result of the structure of universe that's the result of the structure of the existence itself that's a manifestation of the absolute limitless. It's quite simple imo 

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2 hours ago, James123 said:

Same belief. Even if someone open your skull, where are you in the brain? 

Moreover, the mind or brain is actually entire universe.

I think brain produces sense of self

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1 hour ago, Someone here said:

There ain't transcending pain as long as you live in this body made of bones and flesh which gets super hungry and thirsty and sleepy every 12 hours .

 

Maybe it’s possible with extreme mindfulness

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2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

You as a human structure are a product of your brain that is product of the reality. You as a structure can be open to your real nature, that is the nature of everything. With that structure reality perceives itself. It can do in infinite perspectives, all are the same reality.

That’s how I think too

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1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Obvious, no human brain no human structure. But that's not "materialistic paradigm", the brain is an energetic construction that arises in the reality, it's not "material", that is meaningless, it exist, it's an structure, same that anything else that exists. It's the result of the structure of life that's the result of the structure of universe that's the result of the structure of the existence itself that's a manifestation of the absolute limitless. It's quite simple imo 

I think same but then I wonder is there anything outside of direct experience 

Just a thought, it’s not like that insight would change my life

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11 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I think same but then I wonder is there anything outside of direct experience 

Just a thought, it’s not like that insight would change my life

you could say that it's the same experience from different perspectives. obviously there are other possible perspectives, but you don't need to say that they are "outside", they are inside, interconnected, but separated because the fact of an existing experience means separation, without separation there is no borders, no edges, nothing definite, then no change, no experience.

you could say that change is apparent, but anyway it is, then there is separation (apparent if you want) then many possible perspectives. not outside, they are here and now but unfolding infinitely, then the "you" is defined being a perspective. all the perspectives have the same essence/ reality/ substance, so the point is having the ability to put the perspective in background and the substance in the surface, and be one with it. That's what al Hallaj point with all that thing about you and you

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37 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

you could say that it's the same experience from different perspectives. obviously there are other possible perspectives, but you don't need to say that they are "outside", they are inside, interconnected, but separated because the fact of an existing experience means separation, without separation there is no borders, no edges, nothing definite, then no change, no experience.

you could say that change is apparent, but anyway it is, then there is separation (apparent if you want) then many possible perspectives. not outside, they are here and now but unfolding infinitely, then the "you" is defined being a perspective. all the perspectives have the same essence/ reality/ substance, so the point is having the ability to put the perspective in background and the substance in the surface, and be one with it. That's what al Hallaj point with all that thing about you and you

Your description is kind of how I intuit it too

 

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4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

That's an interesting question: Can anyone be a mystic? Is it an innate disposition toward openness, or an attitude toward life that arises due to circumstances? Probably both. But I believe that if spirituality were explained clearly and simply, many more people would be open to this possibility. Incredibly, after thousands of generations, civilization, and science, spirituality is 99% completely fake. It's truly shocking, difficult to understand. It's not that almost no one is enlightened, it's that almost no one understands what spirituality is. 

I think many especially religious people would be repelled by the idea that there’s no separate god it’s all one 

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6 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I think many especially religious people would be repelled by the idea that there’s no separate god it’s all one 

The people in the past was very ignorant, but nowadays millions have a level of understanding that 100 years ago was impossible. I think it's very important formulating spirituality very clear and without any single mistake, if spirituality is let's say "mysterious", like koans, it's useless, people will think that's bullshit, and they would be right 

 

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10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The people in the past was very ignorant, but nowadays millions have a level of understanding that 100 years ago was impossible. I think it's very important formulating spirituality very clear and without any single mistake, if spirituality is let's say "mysterious", like koans, it's useless, people will think that's bullshit, and they would be right 

 

Yea many people probably have great potential for mystical experience it’s not just explored

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