A true case of Conservatives being on the right side of history

[Schizophonia]

Sweden must remain Swedish.

But Sweden is still largely white from what I saw even in Stockholm

[Nemra]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I can't believe I have to explain alien sex to you people.

 

That alien looked like a human and was talking in English.

[Schizophonia]

11 hours ago, DocWatts said:

I don't have many kind things to say about contemporary conservatives for cozying up to fascism, but Winston Churchill was a conservative who, for all his many faults, despised Hitler and fought to keep Britain in the war against Nazi Germany, when it would have been very easy for Britain to leave Europe to its fate.

Gustav Stresemann, also a center-right leader, was Weimer Germany's greatest diplomat, who played a crucial role in stabilizing the Weimer economy and improving relations with France in the interwar period.

So it is possible for conservatives to be principled defenders of democracy - even if it's as rare as rooster's teeth since MAGA revealed many so-called 'conservatives' to be fascists in waiting.

There is a difference between wanting to keep your country's integrity and being a lunatic dictator who puts people in ovens.

Edited July 24, 2025 by Schizophonia

[Porphyry Fedotov]

Overblown non-issue

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Emerald said:

I was like "Oh no! They got to him!"

Stupid will never get me. 

[thierry]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@thierry Osama Bin Laden tips his hat to you approvingly with a cheeky smile.

That’s fine, but I have the feeling he’d be even more impressed by the instinct to ridicule anything that threatens one’s worldview.

[krockerman]

On 7/23/2025 at 4:46 PM, Leo Gura said:

Your view is far too short.

Soon enough Swedes will be fucking aliens.

This is not about who fucks who. This is about a social issues. The sweden democrats are not aginast immigration. They were however against mass migration who they warned would cause massive social problems. And that happend. Now even my very liberal friends admit that yeah this problem is caused by migration 2010 and onward. It's a fact that if Sweden would have been able to minigate the problems if we have had the Sweden democrats immigration politics 2010. Yes I am talking about a short time span. but that timespan is not nothing. Everyone who studty the social problems later in history would agree that relative to this timespam the conservatives where right. no matter if they fuck aliens or not. I am just making a point to showcase a case where the conservatives were right,

[krockerman]

On 7/24/2025 at 10:38 AM, Schizophonia said:

Sweden must remain Swedish.

But Sweden is still largely white from what I saw even in Stockholm

Sweden is very segrigated. due to us having a become a bit of a parallell society most migrants isolate themself by their own choise.

[Spiral]

I’m Swedish, we’ve had a rough decade.

We have taken in a lot of immigrants, without the capacity to integrate them. 

However I’m optimistic about the future, medium to long term.

Banging aliens is not in my calendar this weekend. But I’m open to new things, do not wanna be neophobic.

[thierry]

On 24/07/2025 at 9:17 AM, thierry said:

Making a distinction in your mind that liberals are somehow more conscious than conservatives is not serving the Truth. 

@Leo Gura 

So, was I right or not?

 

[PsychedelicEagle]

I guess the point is that immigration policy was not the problem in itself, but how it was performed.

Had Sweden done immigration in a more conservative manner (which still could be considered a liberal policy overall), the outcome would probably be better than both: (i) what was done and (ii) no immigration at all.

The essence of "conservatives being on the wrong side of history" is true generally, but there can be exceptions as with every rule.

Edited April 5 by PsychedelicEagle

[PsychedelicEagle]

On 7/25/2025 at 11:01 AM, krockerman said:

am just making a point to showcase a case where the conservatives were right

It's a fair point.

Conservativeness is a relative concept however (as every other concept is). What you call conservative in Sweden might be liberal in other countries. The general pattern is that the world changes, societies evolve, and change is inevitable. Meaning that eventually the optimal policy will reflect what was once more likely defended by liberals, and less likely defended by conservatives (by definition).

[Basman]

1 hour ago, PsychedelicEagle said:

I guess the point is that immigration policy was not the problem in itself, but how it was performed.

Had Sweden done immigration in a more conservative manner (which still could be considered a liberal policy overall), the outcome would probably be better than both: (i) what was done and (ii) no immigration at all.

The essence of "conservatives being on the wrong side of history" is true generally, but there can be exceptions as with every rule.

A big part of the issue is that immigration policy didn't get broad public consent. People feel it was just pressed unto them by a technocratic machine that doesn't take their concerns seriously. 

[Basman]

On 7/23/2025 at 11:09 PM, DocWatts said:

So it is possible for conservatives to be principled defenders of democracy - even if it's as rare as rooster's teeth since MAGA revealed many so-called 'conservatives' to be fascists in waiting.

Authoritarians are categorically not conservative. They are revolutionary. 

[Schahin]

On 22.7.2025 at 1:22 PM, krockerman said:

I don't intend this to be political. But I just like to challenging to peoples believes. I love to challenge myself.

When I was growing up my dad often spoke about how Swedens immigration would lead to a disaster due to the amount of people we were taken in, he argued that we would be unable take care of those who had already come here if we kept on taking in more. It was forbidden to have that opinion socially or to vote on the Conservative party. But today almost everyone in Sweden agrees that the immigration was mismanaged and basically agree that the anti immigration party (The  Sweden democrats) was right when they entered office 2010. 

A lot of left leaning people today even agree that Swedens situation is due to mass migration. 

The only reason I make this post is  to challenge @Leo Guras assumption that conservatives are always on the losing side. even if I am not necessarily a conservative myself. 

 

 

 

1. Thank your european allies that helped russia with gas and oil sales to fund their war machine and destroy Syria and to unleash an unprecedented civil war of 14 years.

2- Thank your ally USA that destroyed Iraq killed 1 Million people and consequently is responsible for the rise of ISIS and other disasters so people had to flee their land.

3. Thank your american and european Allies Like Britain and Germany and Italy that support Israels Genocide in Palestine and Libanon and therefore creating more waves of Refugees.

4. Thank your european and allies for being resonsible for the worst crimes of humanity, like colonialism, atlantic slave trade, the destruction of  African people due to racial superiority ideology, and two World wars that created massive chaos, disorder and more refugee waves.

5. Thanks to europe and USA for being the major contributors to global climate change and therefore drying out entire landsacapes in the middle east and Africa, making them uninhabitable due to termperature rising, desert creation and agriculture loss.

 

Dont put the fault on the refugees, but those that created their misery an never forget that the highest number of refugees in the world were europeans who took over the entire american continent and destroyed the indigenous people there.

Edited April 11 by Schahin

[Elliott]

Create crises in the middle east and Africa for 200 years then cry about terrorist attacks. The right side of history Alright 🙄

Even as a white American, I am sometimes giddy about the obvious coming of another race being world leaders and absolutely genociding these conservative terrorists in the future. White people have been a minority in terms of world leadership in history, white people were tribal 1,500 years ago while every other race even native Americans(Aztec, Inca) had advanced civilizations. White people have only been global leaders for 300 years, the times will always change, there'll always be another Atilla for Rome.

Edited April 11 by Elliott