Addition to Leo Game Awakening

[Chadders]

I’ve had an awakening on relating to the feminine also but with added depth I would say 

Simply put the feminine in all of us wants to ‘play’. It enjoys the game of life. The masculine in all of us wants ‘truth’ and does not want to play a game.

This is where the dance is between the masculine and the feminine. Women want to play a game and you need to be able to groove with that but only to a point - if you keep trying to play her game she’ll get bored and it’ll also deny your truth. This is where as a man within relational leadership, once you feel like you’ve had enough of the game you lead her to go deeper - basically with the game or playfulness there are layers to this and both you and her ultimately want to go deeper so you as the man communicate your truth to her. So you might say this isn’t working for me I want to go deeper with you or this would mean so much to me if we did this - it’s up to her then

This is where timing is important. Too soon and she might feel unsafe or that there’s been no playfulness and if it’s too late she’ll get bored - because like with any game you will get bored of it. You will want to ultimately play a higher game by going deeper so you lead her into that  

This is actually where as a man you have to own your truth and your terms in a relationship. Some women will have games that are too complicated (They might have a lot of childhood trauma for instance). Some women will have games where they’re not transparent with the rules I.e. they are not very emotionally open (potentially there is an entitled expectation here about the man being everything). Whatever the case you as the man decide what you’re willing to play with the feminine. You are divine and you choose. So like with any game, you always have to be willing to walk away if her game does not work for you. This is how as a man you regain balance in a dynamic and make sure that relationally it works for both of you. This is the power of masculine leadership

Just to add we all have a masculine and a feminine so even as a man you will enjoy the game but just to a lesser extent. If she’s too easy for you, you might also get bored and for a woman, she also will want truth from you as well. She doesn’t just want to stay at a surface level

Edited Monday at 06:08 PM by Chadders

[theleelajoker]

I am a man and I love to play. LOVE TO PLAY. LOVE IT. 

Holy shit, playing is fun. Sports. Board Games. Flirts. Dancing. Relationships with friends, family, others. 

And I love truth to. But the search for truth is a GAME  

And masculine leadership? Yooooo, have you noticed how subtle women are leading men? I think you're delusional not seeing this 

All this feminine-masculine play is often seen through a lens of playing against each other. But I see it as playing with each other   What's the difference? The first maximizing winning, the second maximizing fun : ) 

Where I agree is that it's great to have a feeling of "do I still want to play? Do I have enough? Do I want to play a different game"?

Where I agree is the timing, and the unsafe part. You need to respect the role, the character, the personality of the other. 

Where I agree is that balance is required. You need to play the your role the same way she plays her. 

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You are divine and you choose.

Well...the feminine is not divine?

Edited Monday at 06:38 PM by theleelajoker

[Hojo]

3 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

Well...the feminine is not divine?

It is in the sense that it gives motion and energy to the universe but its not as permanent as masculine. A cave is masculine and a home is feminine. The divine masculine has nothing without the feminine its just sitting there.  It dosent need it to exist but its like adding stars to the universe. Without the feminine its just a dark place. The feminine gives the masculine meaning. Its divine in more ways than masculine but not the ultimate.

The masculine is like an erect penis in a void doing nothing

The feminine the juicy vagina that comes and excites the masculine.

It makes God cum the universe.

If life is like fking and loving a woman then death is the woman leaving and you going can I still stand myself alone forever.

When the feminine leaves you are left with an erect penis and nothing to do with it.

Edited Monday at 09:50 PM by Hojo

[Chadders]

@theleelajoker I’ve found David Deida’s work very helpful. The masculine is the awareness and the feminine is everything else (life itself). There is no life without awareness and without life awareness is nothing anyway. Awareness is the divine aspect as it is eternal and unchanged. The feminine can’t touch that. When life gets hard your ability to detach and enter the timeless moment is what gives you masculine power and you become unshakable. Again these dynamics are in both men and women but as masculine identified person I lean toward consciousness but still love life. If I didn’t I might as well be dead

[Princess Arabia]

8 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

I am a man and I love to play. LOVE TO PLAY. LOVE IT. 

Holy shit, playing is fun. Sports. Board Games. Flirts. Dancing. Relationships with friends, family, others. 

And I love truth to. But the search for truth is a GAME  

And masculine leadership? Yooooo, have you noticed how subtle women are leading men? I think you're delusional not seeing this 

All this feminine-masculine play is often seen through a lens of playing against each other. But I see it as playing with each other   What's the difference? The first maximizing winning, the second maximizing fun : ) 

Where I agree is that it's great to have a feeling of "do I still want to play? Do I have enough? Do I want to play a different game"?

Where I agree is the timing, and the unsafe part. You need to respect the role, the character, the personality of the other. 

Where I agree is that balance is required. You need to play the your role the same way she plays her. 

Well...the feminine is not divine?

Perfect example of how to play, PLAY. You played this comment like a genius. Didn't take it seriously like OP did and didn't analyze and logicize too much. It was effortless flow and spontaneous. 

[Zen LaCroix]

Did you really have this awakening or did you just see Leo mention the play awakening in another forum reply

[Chadders]

@Zen LaCroix Insight would be a better word. Yes all insights are my own. What I have said here is different to what Leo has said. David Deida’s work on masculine feminine dynamics is a foundation 

You would do well to be less cynical young padawan

Edited Tuesday at 06:35 AM by Chadders

[LordFall]

9 hours ago, Hojo said:

It is in the sense that it gives motion and energy to the universe but its not as permanent as masculine. A cave is masculine and a home is feminine. The divine masculine has nothing without the feminine its just sitting there.  It dosent need it to exist but its like adding stars to the universe. Without the feminine its just a dark place. The feminine gives the masculine meaning. Its divine in more ways than masculine but not the ultimate.

The masculine is like an erect penis in a void doing nothing

The feminine the juicy vagina that comes and excites the masculine.

It makes God cum the universe.

If life is like fking and loving a woman then death is the woman leaving and you going can I still stand myself alone forever.

When the feminine leaves you are left with an erect penis and nothing to do with it.

Yes I mostly agree. Being fully masculine is like being a warrior with no home to go back to. You just endlessly rage on/get bored. 

I envy warriors of the past when they got back home and fucked their girl, that must've been the nut of a lifetime. 

[Chadders]

@Hojo Lol I love the overtly sexually way you have described it. Very David Deida

Yeh the masculine wants to penetrate the feminine and the feminine wants to receive and open as love. Thereby they merge and you are one with everything

The separation between the two is an illusion. You are divinely masculine and feminine

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, LordFall said:

I envy warriors of the past when they got back home and fucked their girl, that must've been the nut of a lifetime. 

Dude, warriors of the past raped whoever they killed or found by the roadside.

Your worldview is too naive.

Edited Tuesday at 08:36 AM by Leo Gura

[jimwell]

Girls love boys who can demonstrate playfulness because it signals their capability to provide love, goodness, and joy.

After survival, what else is there to do?

Experiencing love, goodness, and joy not only feels good; it somehow connects to the metaphysical or spiritual desire (often hidden or repressed) most humans have.

[AION]

10 minutes ago, jimwell said:

Girls love boys who can demonstrate playfulness because it signals their capability to provide love, goodness, and joy.

After survival, what else is there to do?

Experiencing love, goodness, and joy not only feels good; it somehow connects to the metaphysical or spiritual desire (often hidden or repressed) most humans have.

How to say one is an incel without saying one is an incel …

[AION]

14 hours ago, Chadders said:

I’ve had an awakening on relating to the feminine also but with added depth I would say 

Simply put the feminine in all of us wants to ‘play’. It enjoys the game of life. The masculine in all of us wants ‘truth’ and does not want to play a game.

This is where the dance is between the masculine and the feminine. Women want to play a game and you need to be able to groove with that but only to a point - if you keep trying to play her game she’ll get bored and it’ll also deny your truth. This is where as a man within relational leadership, once you feel like you’ve had enough of the game you lead her to go deeper - basically with the game or playfulness there are layers to this and both you and her ultimately want to go deeper so you as the man communicate your truth to her. So you might say this isn’t working for me I want to go deeper with you or this would mean so much to me if we did this - it’s up to her then

This is where timing is important. Too soon and she might feel unsafe or that there’s been no playfulness and if it’s too late she’ll get bored - because like with any game you will get bored of it. You will want to ultimately play a higher game by going deeper so you lead her into that  

This is actually where as a man you have to own your truth and your terms in a relationship. Some women will have games that are too complicated (They might have a lot of childhood trauma for instance). Some women will have games where they’re not transparent with the rules I.e. they are not very emotionally open (potentially there is an entitled expectation here about the man being everything). Whatever the case you as the man decide what you’re willing to play with the feminine. You are divine and you choose. So like with any game, you always have to be willing to walk away if her game does not work for you. This is how as a man you regain balance in a dynamic and make sure that relationally it works for both of you. This is the power of masculine leadership

Just to add we all have a masculine and a feminine so even as a man you will enjoy the game but just to a lesser extent. If she’s too easy for you, you might also get bored and for a woman, she also will want truth from you as well. She doesn’t just want to stay at a surface level

Don’t make it a rocket science. It is very simple. Test this out. 

 

Edited Tuesday at 08:40 AM by AION

[Natasha Tori Maru]

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[jimwell]

36 minutes ago, AION said:

How to say one is an incel without saying one is an incel …

This is the biggest judgmental error you have ever made in your life. It says more about you than about me.

I’m not one to brag, but when needed, I enjoy it. I’ve never initiated a pick-up (except once when I was 13) because it’s always girls who approach (or semi-approach) me. All I need to do is be present in a place and then I choose who I enjoy. If you had any real perceptive capability (which you don’t), you’d know I’m not a bullshitter. When I declare something as true, it’s because it’s true.

My problem is I receive too much attention from girls (and male homosexuals) who I am not sexually interested in. This has caused me significant mental anguish. It has been extremely difficult for me to find a girl in person who I'm willing to impregnate, which is another cause of frustration. The girls I'm sexually interested in exist only on Instagram and YouTube. But I believe soon I'll be able to meet and enjoy them in the flesh!

I want to finish this bragging by demonstrating what high-level playfulness looks similar to. There were no girls around, but it’s the same playfulness (and self-confidence) that tickles girls’ souls.

https://onedrive.live.com/?qt=allmyphotos&photosData=%2Fshare%2F721C28E58CCE5CB4!7428%3Fithint%3Dvideo%26fbclid%3DPAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAaduqE0vELkAIW6vw-9NaZe6XJbl_hxW_8rKjFN5XIuWUsU38cbEb_p5YDQ8kA_aem_zR_K8tB7VvA-ACG9w6-QPA%26migratedtospo%3Dtrue&sw=bypassConfig&cid=721C28E58CCE5CB4&id=721C28E58CCE5CB4!7428&redeem=aHR0cHM6Ly8xZHJ2Lm1zL3YvcyFBclJjem96bEtCeHl1Z1JaeG9vS0l4QjFLa3c1P2ZiY2xpZD1QQVpYaDBiZ05oWlcwQ01URUFBYWR1cUUwdkVMa0FJVzZ2dy05TmFaZTZYSmJsX2h4V184cktqRk41WEl1V1VzVTM4Y2JFYl9wNVlEUThrQV9hZW1felJfSzh0QjdWdkEtQUNHOXc2LVFQQQ&v=photos

You're welcome!

[AION]

23 minutes ago, jimwell said:

This is the biggest judgmental error you have ever made in your life. It says more about you than about me.

I’m not one to brag, but when needed, I enjoy it. I’ve never initiated a pick-up (except once when I was 13) because it’s always girls who approach (or semi-approach) me. All I need to do is be present in a place and then I choose who I enjoy. If you had any real perceptive capability (which you don’t), you’d know I’m not a bullshitter. When I declare something as true, it’s because it’s true.

My problem is I receive too much attention from girls (and male homosexuals) who I am not sexually interested in. This has caused me significant mental anguish. It has been extremely difficult for me to find a girl in person who I'm willing to impregnate, which is another cause of frustration. The girls I'm sexually interested in exist only on Instagram and YouTube. But I believe soon I'll be able to meet and enjoy them in the flesh!

I want to finish this bragging by demonstrating what high-level playfulness looks similar to. There were no girls around, but it’s the same playfulness (and self-confidence) that tickles girls’ souls.

https://onedrive.live.com/?qt=allmyphotos&photosData=%2Fshare%2F721C28E58CCE5CB4!7428%3Fithint%3Dvideo%26fbclid%3DPAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAaduqE0vELkAIW6vw-9NaZe6XJbl_hxW_8rKjFN5XIuWUsU38cbEb_p5YDQ8kA_aem_zR_K8tB7VvA-ACG9w6-QPA%26migratedtospo%3Dtrue&sw=bypassConfig&cid=721C28E58CCE5CB4&id=721C28E58CCE5CB4!7428&redeem=aHR0cHM6Ly8xZHJ2Lm1zL3YvcyFBclJjem96bEtCeHl1Z1JaeG9vS0l4QjFLa3c1P2ZiY2xpZD1QQVpYaDBiZ05oWlcwQ01URUFBYWR1cUUwdkVMa0FJVzZ2dy05TmFaZTZYSmJsX2h4V184cktqRk41WEl1V1VzVTM4Y2JFYl9wNVlEUThrQV9hZW1felJfSzh0QjdWdkEtQUNHOXc2LVFQQQ&v=photos

You're welcome!

You need to be a good looking guy to pull that off. I’m not saying you aren’t. I do get passive attention too but not a lot. 

[theleelajoker]

7 hours ago, Chadders said:

@theleelajoker I’ve found David Deida’s work very helpful. The masculine is the awareness and the feminine is everything else (life itself). There is no life without awareness and without life awareness is nothing anyway. Awareness is the divine aspect as it is eternal and unchanged. The feminine can’t touch that. When life gets hard your ability to detach and enter the timeless moment is what gives you masculine power and you become unshakable. Again these dynamics are in both men and women but as masculine identified person I lean toward consciousness but still love life. If I didn’t I might as well be dead

@Chadders Yeah sounds good. 

But what to do with that now? What's the practical value of that? So you say it's in both, so why make the distinction in the first place? 

Just seems like more concepts to me. Or am I missing something?

Litte side-joke:

I write about divine feminine above, right? Shorty afterwards, I go to a bar, talk to this girl, look at her tattoos. She has "divine" and "feminine" tattooed on her left and right arm LOL  

Edited Tuesday at 09:47 AM by theleelajoker

[Chadders]

@theleelajoker the concepts help me understand reality. I’ve found David Deida’s work very illuminating to me. There’s so much misconception around what it means to be a man and woman

[krockerman]

The revelation that the essence of attraction lies in playfulness is indeed profound and accurate at a foundational level. Playfulness embodies the very principles that women find attractive—being relaxed, non-reactive, carefree, and genuine. But here's where nuance becomes crucial: Playfulness, while central, is still just one critical element within a broader ecosystem of attraction.

Playfulness Without Direction is Insufficient:
While being playful allows you to effortlessly connect emotionally and reduce anxiety, it doesn't automatically ensure progression towards intimacy. Successful interactions require conscious escalation—both emotional and physical. Without calibrating your playfulness toward escalation, you risk becoming the "fun guy" who never closes because he doesn’t signal sexual intent clearly enough.

Balancing Value and Comfort:
Attraction relies heavily on the delicate balance between value and comfort. Playfulness strongly signals value (you're relaxed, confident, socially adept), but comfort is also essential. Without the comfort that comes from displaying empathy, trustworthiness, or even moments of seriousness, many women will become attracted but hesitant to fully engage.

Adaptation to Her Personality:
Each woman responds uniquely based on her life experiences, social conditioning, and individual psychology. While playful energy is universally attractive at some level, blindly relying on playfulness fails when her blueprint demands something different—perhaps seriousness, depth, or emotional vulnerability. Effective game is thus adaptive; you must calibrate your approach to the specific emotional and psychological blueprint of each woman

[jimwell]

3 hours ago, AION said:

You need to be a good looking guy to pull that off. I’m not saying you aren’t. I do get passive attention too but not a lot. 

Physical beauty surely helps, but there are boys who are more physically attractive than I am but don’t have my problems. So it must also be about energy and mindset.

Summary by CoPilot:

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Summary of “How Women Get Addicted to Men”

Overview

The video challenges the notion that women are drawn primarily to external markers like wealth, looks, or status. It argues that true attraction hinges on a man’s internal energy—his confidence, presence, and emotional autonomy.

Debunking Attraction Myths

Many men chase superficial “game,” believing that money, car, or six-pack abs guarantee interest. In reality, these external metrics often camouflage deeper insecurities; when pursued desperately, they can repel rather than attract.

The Power of Internal Energy

• Authenticity over performance
• Calm detachment instead of neediness
• Self-validation rather than approval-seeking

Combined, these traits create a magnetic presence that keeps women engaged and craving more.

Psychological Triggers of Lust and Obsession

Mystery, unpredictability, and perceived challenge serve as emotional hooks. Chasing validation sparks a “death spiral” of desperation, killing desire, while maintaining self-sufficiency sustains intrigue and longing.

Shifting Focus: Building Inner Value

Key strategies to cultivate addictive energy:

• Develop a clear purpose and resilience
• Practice detachment from outcomes
• Cultivate self-awareness and emotional mastery

These shifts turn any external success into an authentic reflection of inner confidence.

Conclusion

Attraction isn’t earned by checking off a resume of achievements; it’s embodied through an unshakeable inner state. By prioritizing emotional autonomy and genuine presence, men unlock the deep allure that truly captivates women.

Further Insights

Exploring works on neurobiology (like the Winner Effect) or diving into stoic practices can deepen your grasp of how biology and mindset converge in attraction dynamics. Reflecting on cultural narratives of masculinity may also reveal fresh pathways for personal growth.

 

Edited Tuesday at 01:11 PM by jimwell
rectified grammar