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[Emerald]

4 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

You tacitly explained how it's barely possible to get 100g of protein while being vegan without protein powders.

 

[Schizophonia]

15 hours ago, Emerald said:

 

It's impossible she ate 100g of proteins, she probably mismuse weighed raw and cooked datas and/or lie.

Her first meals has 21g of proteins, her second probably some grams at most, it would say her last meal has >= 70g of protein while it's just some tofu and grains.

And of course she essentially counts on soy.

 

[Schizophonia]

20 hours ago, Jannes said:

Its factually not correct though. 

You can argue that it doesnt taste good, but that wasnt the argument. 

It is because you have to eat these calories/proteins.

Nevermind i must stop deviate the topic 

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Although I would disagree there too, if you put some effort in:

edit: Sorry, I didnt read it properly. Well then I would simply argue that with nice recipes you can also get there. 

 

 

 

 

These videos where vegan anglo-saxons do stupid random meal like tofu on microwaved sweet potato before calling it great feeds my racism. 

Edited Tuesday at 04:10 PM by Schizophonia

[Jannes]

2 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

It is because you have to eat these calories/proteins.

Nevermind i must stop deviate the topic 

I am not vegan anymore, I am vegetarian so protein is no issue for me and I do have some bias defending veganism in that matter but its not that big and I have had lots of experience in it. 

2 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

These videos where vegan anglo-saxons do stupid random meal like tofu on microwaved sweet potato before calling it great feeds my racism. 

Performative people are everywhere. 

[Emerald]

6 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

It's impossible she ate 100g of proteins, she probably mismuse weighed raw and cooked datas and/or lie.

Her first meals has 21g of proteins, her second probably some grams at most, it would say her last meal has >= 70g of protein while it's just some tofu and grains.

And of course she essentially counts on soy.

 

It's really not difficult to eat 100 grams of protein per day as a Vegan. So, I don't know why you think that.

The pasta she uses in her last meal is Lupini bean pasta which has like 21 grams of protein per serving. Then, she uses tofu in the sauce... plus the lentils... plus the broccoli.

These are all great sources of protein.

[aurum]

If you're doing vegan, you want to account for lower protein bioavailability.

[Carl-Richard]

3 minutes ago, aurum said:

If you're doing vegan, you want to account for lower protein bioavailability.

How much lower?

[aurum]

16 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

How much lower?

Hard to say exactly. Most sources seem to suggest about 10-20%.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0924224421006774?via%3Dihub

https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/15/13/2870

https://www.fao.org/ag/humannutrition/35978-02317b979a686a57aa4593304ffc17f06.pdf

Edited Tuesday at 11:24 PM by aurum

[Carl-Richard]

28 minutes ago, aurum said:

Hard to say exactly. Most sources seem to suggest about 10-20%.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0924224421006774?via%3Dihub

https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/15/13/2870

In that case, if you're consciously aiming for 100g, you probably won't notice much of a difference, unless you tend to accurately weigh your different meats to offset similar differences (different meats have e.g. different protein to fat ratios and around the same percentage differences). It's ironically more crucial knowledge for those that already don't track what they're eating and are more likely to eat too little protein (and which fall for fads and "genius" ideas like "one banana for breakfast").

Edited Tuesday at 11:51 PM by Carl-Richard

[aurum]

9 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

In that case, if you're consciously aiming for 100g, you probably won't notice much of a difference, unless you tend to accurately weigh your different meats to offset similar differences (different meats have different protein to fat ratios). It's ironically more crucial knowledge for those that already don't track what they're eating and are more likely to eat too little protein (and which fall for fads and "genius" ideas like "one banana for breakfast").

I don't know about that.

If it is as high as 20%, that's pretty significant. That's like one meal for most vegans.

If you're a vegan, you should know about this. Vegan foods tend to be high in fiber and volume, which means you can easily under-eat. 

Plus, you probably want higher than 100g. 100g is pretty low for most people.

Edited Tuesday at 11:37 PM by aurum

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, aurum said:

I don't know about that.

If it is as high as 20%, that's pretty significant. That's like one meal for most vegans.

If you're a vegan, you should know about this. Vegan foods tend to be high in fiber and volume, which means you can easily under-eat. 

Plus, you probably want higher than 100g. 100g is pretty low for most people.

It can be significant, just like eating a slice of lamb can be significantly different from eating a slice of chicken (lamb tends to have about 20% less protein than chicken breast). But you won't die from that difference alone. The real problem is just if you eat too little. I personal tend to eat the same amount of different meats in overall weight and that's it; if sometimes there is more fat and less protein, I don't really feel much of a difference (unless of course you want to be a psychonaut about it).

On a tangential note, this reminds me a bit of people who react to you taking a multivitamin with "be careful that you don't get too much", as if they care about that while downing a pound of oysters and getting 1000% the RDA of zinc, or they eat some extra steak one day at a barbeque and get 300% the RDA of certain B-vitamins, or they eat a few brazil nuts and get 3000% the RDA of selenium. Sometimes people get real hung up on certain numbers but are rather ignorant about what different foods do.

Edited Wednesday at 01:30 AM by Carl-Richard

[Carl-Richard]

Apparently, drinking tea with your meal can reduce protein digestion by around 10-20% (due to polyphenols).

[RendHeaven]

2 hours ago, aurum said:

If you're doing vegan, you want to account for lower protein bioavailability.

I was thinking this but I didn't want to be the one to say it lol

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

On a tangential note, this reminds me a bit of people who react to you taking a multivitamin with "be careful that you don't get too much", as if they care about that while downing a pound of oysters and getting 1000% the RDA of zinc, or they eat some extra steak one day at a barbeque and get 300% the RDA of certain B-vitamins, or they eat a few brazil nuts and get 3000% the RDA of selenium. Sometimes people get real hung up on certain numbers but are rather ignorant about what different foods do.

the difference is that overdosing on B-vitamins once (or even consistently) is not harmful at all, you'll just pee it out.

whereas a multivitamin is something you take every single day, and can contain compounds that you can't simply pee away. Like iron. Excess iron could cause serious problems for some men. you should actually check whether a multivitamin is right for you or not.

[aurum]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

It can be significant, just like eating a slice of lamb can be significantly different from eating a slice of chicken (lamb tends to have about 20% less protein than chicken breast). But you won't die from that difference alone. The real problem is just if you eat too little. I personal tend to just eat the same amount of different meats in terms of overall weight and that's it; if sometimes there is more fat and less protein, I don't really feel much of a difference.

You're already eating meat, so you're likely not at risk. This is for vegans.

We're also not just talking about chicken vs lamb, we're talking 10-20% of your entire diet.

[LoneWonderer]

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Edited Wednesday at 06:39 AM by LoneWonderer

[Carl-Richard]

11 hours ago, aurum said:

You're already eating meat, so you're likely not at risk. This is for vegans.

We're also not just talking about chicken vs lamb, we're talking 10-20% of your entire diet.

1. You know I said something very specific, "if you are already aiming at 100g"? And then I said if you are just a lousy fad-seeking nutritionally unaware vegan, your point is more valid?

2. We're definitely not talking just about chicken vs lamb. We're talking about chicken breast vs chicken thighs, drinking tea vs not drinking tea, eating high polyphenol foods vs not, the list goes on.

Also, even if you eat meat, you can eat something like too much walnuts on the side (which I've done many times) and absolutely destroy your digestion of other things like minerals due to the phytic acid (and your stomach generally feels like absolute shit).

If you want a diet with sub-single percentage nutritional precision, you have to research literally all the biochemicals and all the nutritional profiles of literally everything you eat.

Edited Wednesday at 01:05 PM by Carl-Richard

[Schizophonia]

37 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Also, even if you eat meat, you can eat something like too much walnuts on the side (which I've done many times) and absolutely destroy your digestion of other things like minerals due to the phytic acid (and your stomach generally feels like absolute shit).

If you want a diet with sub-single percentage nutritional precision, you have to research literally all the all the biochemicals and all the nutritional profiles of literally everything you eat.

Because you forced yourself, because you've seen articles or videos saying nuts are awesome for some reason.

You instinctively know what's good for you; you'll know what's completely incompatible and therefore disgusting, you'll know what's compatible and good but overly processed and therefore not interesting in large quantities, and you'll know what's totally good.

If you do this, you'll naturally return to the foods you loved as a child. Not only is it satisfying, but even though many of these foods are processed, you'll still have better gut health, more energy, etc.

For example:
Breakfast: Two large slices of bread with butter or pork fat, with a little garlic rubbed on the bread.
With that, a coffee with sugar and a little rum, or a glass of fresh orange juice.

Lunch: Plate of buttered pasta with Parmesan cheese and 125g of ground beef or a few fresh sardines if you have less mony, a green salad with a little olive oil and balsamic vinegar, a small glass of red wine if you want.

Snack: Fruit if it's summer, otherwise a piece of bread with dark chocolate.

Dinner: A truly traditional dish like cassoulet.

With all this, there's no intestinal problems or malnutrition, it's not that expensive, and it's very good.

Whereas if you listen to nutrition gurus, you'll be doomed to dissatisfaction, stress, and various problems (because you don't follow your intuition).

Like dating actually lol.

Edited Wednesday at 12:58 PM by Schizophonia

[Carl-Richard]

11 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

 the difference is that overdosing on B-vitamins once (or even consistently) is not harmful at all, you'll just pee it out.

whereas a multivitamin is something you take every single day, and can contain compounds that you can't simply pee away. Like iron. Excess iron could cause serious problems for some men. you should actually check whether a multivitamin is right for you or not.

Yes, but when this is the range (e.g. only 100g brazil nuts is around 3500% the RDA of selenium), it's not unexpected that many people would be eating foods regularly that many-folds their RDA of some nutrients. The carnivore diet is one glaring example.

Add to that the fact that people disagree on various RDAs with many-fold margins (e.g. vitamin D, and in fact B vitamins) and that the real RDA can be doubled between e.g. a 100 lb person and a 200 lb person while most people simply read off the same RDA on the label, things definitely start to look muddy.

But yes, definitely test yourself.

Edited Wednesday at 01:45 PM by Carl-Richard

[Carl-Richard]

16 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Because you forced yourself, because you've seen articles or videos saying nuts are awesome for some reason.

Last time, I was stuck on a cottage at night where the option was less nutrients or more walnuts, and I had forgotten what walnuts tend to do. I actually like the taste of walnuts in my mouth, but I can't eat too much for my stomach.

 

16 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

You instinctively know what's good for you; you'll know what's completely incompatible and therefore disgusting, you'll know what's compatible and good but overly processed and therefore not interesting in large quantities, and you'll know what's totally good.

If you do this, you'll naturally return to the foods you loved as a child. Not only is it satisfying, but even though many of these foods are processed, you'll still have better gut health, more energy, etc.

For example:
Breakfast: Two large slices of bread with butter or pork fat, with a little garlic rubbed on the bread.
With that, a coffee with sugar and a little rum, or a glass of fresh orange juice.

Lunch: Plate of buttered pasta with Parmesan cheese and 125g of ground beef or a few fresh sardines if you have less mony, a green salad with a little olive oil and balsamic vinegar, a small glass of red wine if you want.

Snack: Fruit if it's summer, otherwise a piece of bread with dark chocolate.

Dinner: A truly traditional dish like cassoulet.

With all this, there's no intestinal problems or malnutrition, it's not that expensive, and it's very good.

Whereas if you listen to nutrition gurus, you'll be doomed to dissatisfaction, stress, and various problems (because you don't follow your intuition).

Like dating actually lol.

I don't like how large glucose spikes or large spikes of anything (e.g. caffeine, alcohol) make me feel, so I avoid most of those foods.

Edited Wednesday at 01:13 PM by Carl-Richard

[RendHeaven]

27 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Breakfast: Two large slices of bread with butter or pork fat

you forgot to dip it in seed oils!