Why are jewish people hated ?

[Twentyfirst]

3 hours ago, BlueOak said:

Victim Mindset and identity. We removed a lot of that in the West, its still ongoing but huge progress was made.

In the East and Africa it's still rife. BRICS, Russia, Israel, China. This was done for masculinity to have a place in life again and actually create change. I had to go through it personally, and I saw examples of it in loads of people going through it.

It's a self-perpetuating cycle. - I'm a victim, look at these things making me a victim. I'll recreate the pattern to be victim - I'm a victim, look at these things making me a victim. There is zero masculinity displayed in that. Its made worse when people reinforce it from the outside, rather than either doing what I am by highlighting it, or allowing the pattern to end or close.

What happens when confronted is really simple, the person's or country's ego comes up and says i'm a victim because X. Reinforcing the cycle.
When really 10% of their time should be focused on that, and 90% on the solution.

 

What are you talking about? Identity politics has surged to unseen levels in the West starting from around 2013. Everyone is a victim...women, disabled people, black people, "anxious gender binary but now healing disorder". Identity got completely scrambled to where women compete in sports with Lebron James and men get pregnant. Karens not only on the rise in your neighborhood but in your politics, education, media. Hollywood showing a trans, a brown person, and a gay person in every movie. Getting lectures from "environmentally conscious but traumatized since childhood cis gender non male" baristas at the coffee shop. Have you been sleeping under a rock the past decade? Identity and victim hood is thriving in the West to clinically insane levels

I feel like I am misunderstanding your post. Btw the West should never speak about masculinity again. Not even in 1,000 years, they lost that right forever 

[Twentyfirst]

Guys just look at the past century. The two worst things to happen to Jews were Nazism and Zionism. Both which developed in the West and nowhere else

[Apparition of Jack]

2 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Guys just look at the past century. The two worst things to happen to Jews were Nazism and Zionism. Both which developed in the West and nowhere else

To be fair most Jews did live in the West before then. Eastern Europe had basically turned into the Jewish homeland.

[Twentyfirst]

1 minute ago, Apparition of Jack said:

To be fair most Jews did live in the West before then. Eastern Europe had basically turned into the Jewish homeland.

Nazism was the genocide of Jews and Zionism was the ethnic cleansing. But even after the ethnic cleansing of Jews out of Eastern Europe the West retained a lot of influence in helping Zionism prevail for so long. They could have just kicked them out but instead they used them. It's a strange dynamic 

[Majed]

I think that antisemitism stems from people not understanding the Jewish perspective. If people studied Judaism, Jewish culture and civilization, and tried to empathize with them, they won't be antisemitic. Fundamentally antisemitism is a lack of empathy which stems from a lack of understanding of the Jewish people. 

[BlueOak]

7 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

What are you talking about? Identity politics has surged to unseen levels in the West starting from around 2013. Everyone is a victim...women, disabled people, black people, "anxious gender binary but now healing disorder". Identity got completely scrambled to where women compete in sports with Lebron James and men get pregnant. Karens not only on the rise in your neighborhood but in your politics, education, media. Hollywood showing a trans, a brown person, and a gay person in every movie. Getting lectures from "environmentally conscious but traumatized since childhood cis gender non male" baristas at the coffee shop. Have you been sleeping under a rock the past decade? Identity and victim hood is thriving in the West to clinically insane levels

Yes. This has been being reduced in the west for a long time, i'd go back another 5 years before that. The very fact you are able to highlight it shows how much pushback its had. Otherwise, it'd just be business as usual. For individualists in the West, its all about individual rights. For collectivists in the east, its all about a country's rights.

Which is fine, when it isn't an eternal victim cycle. I am the victim - So I do this, because I am the victim- So I do this.

It's hardly thriving. I feel like you've missed the landslide losses people living in the victim mindset have seen, the ridicule people who take that too far for well over a decade. I've seen it in politics, against feminists, conservatives, far right, far left, liberals, red pillers, businessmen, sovcits, everyone who overuses the victim pattern to define their identity. I saw it within myself in the victim patterns I held on to.

This character perfectly encapsulates the victim mentality, and she debuted in 1997
 

Deflection is better than defense. But this is the pushback I am talking about. If I highlight your ego needs to deflect or defend. its the same if I do it to someone in one of the groups you have named. They'll give me 15 reasons why they, too, are the victim, because it is their identity. Or why its those other people.

10% of the focus on the problem, 90% on the solution, is the way to break a cycle. Or do you want to deny that for about 10 years i've heard from BRICS, Russia, China etc that they are the victim, which is why they are doing what they are doing? Doing something is a step up from wallowing, but if all its doing is perpetuating being the victim it's not much.

Edited July 15 by BlueOak

[zazen]

Like everyone else has said - it’s a confluence of factors. Jews were exiled from most economic activity so had to revert to moneylending and intellectualism / study which their religion / culture placed value on.

Those structural changes never changed until much later, which is why the persecution and pogroms kept occurring for centuries. Imagine being forced into a role, then despised for it when economic downturns inevitably come. Naturally, being in the business of money meant proximity to power - perhaps even a certain influence on power itself. Jews were a minority yet seen as being visibly powerful due to this, plus being concentrated in urban centres near wealthy elites.

They were familiar enough due to being widespread across Europe, yet distinct enough to be “other” as they maintained their identity. The historic expectation among the West was to be absorbed, not assimilated into society - the two get conflated. This counters Westerners beliefs about themselves being pluralistic and tolerant in the past. But just as the book Joshe shared on the previous page says - Jews didn’t “absorb” ie lose their identity, which is the expectation.

In the Middle East meanwhile they were structurally inside the system, rather than outside it. Even though they weren’t given equal status to the degree we speak of equality today - they were given protected status and recognised as “people of the book”. There was space for them and others. They also weren’t the only moneylenders as Islam provided alternative financial mechanisms and regulation - so couldn’t be scapegoated during hard times.

The gasoline on the fire is also theological as Judaism rejects Christ as the Messiah. Whilst theological differences are there between religions - the issue is that they were politicised and weaponised a lot more before. Medieval Christianity viewed Jews as cursed and eternally sinful for rejecting Jesus, while most of the Islamic world viewed them as mistaken cousins. Tensions still existed in the Middle East, but it rarely led to the type of exclusionary or violent pogroms like in Europe.

Another point is that they were at the edge of society in intellectual bubbles pushing novelty and new ideas. The past was way more conservative which meant being more resistant to novelty and avant gard type thinking. They were barred from universities and had their own systems of education, ethics and philosophy being built in the back drop of society.

So all this intellectual infrastructure was there - which means when modernity came and they were gradually accepted, they dominated most academic fields and were at the forefront of revolutionary thought and movements. Their over representation in all these movements easily gets conflated with them “controlling” all sides and being everywhere in society - but mostly it just them having a diversity of thought amongst themselves, and excelling in the world of thought which they had been involved in over centuries.

Today’s Zionism which started as settler colonialism and still continues till today, is obviously where things take a turn. The same pattern of ancient resentment is being triggered today but for very real injustices rather than injustices of the past that were attributed to Jews through association. It’s also easy to view Israels influence on the US today, and retroactively validate ideas about how Jews secretly controlled societies in the past. Israel’s present day behaviour isn’t helping rid these stereotypes at all and is in fact only cementing them.

 

[Majed]

The Jewish question is a question of identity. National identity, religious identity, cultural identity. The key insight is that limited identity breeds violence, injustice and devilry. Unlimited identity, aka God, breeds love, goodness and wisdom. Spirituality is about connecting with spirit, aka God, to become one with it, and recognize it as your true identity: the formless void.

[Majed]

I found this video quite insightful on the matter. 

[zazen]

Ironically, the very chains meant to constrain the Jewish people ended up sharpening the tools that later made them disproportionately successful in modern society.

Excluded from land ownership = clustered into cities = urbanism lends itself to more ideas, culture, commerce and power = developed and excelled non-physical skills due to being barred from physical domains (craft guilds and agriculture) that later become transferable in a financialised media run world. Today they are over represented in media, academia, finance, law and politics.

Those structural constraints combined with their tradition of valuing education and literacy (debate, critical thinking) + group cohesion and wide diaspora networks = successful. No wonder they became wealthy enough to be envied, yet different enough to resented.

 

 

[Hardkill]

Yeah, it’s pretty much what everyone has already said as why there’s always been so much hate for the Jews.

We’ve been seen as fringe people who have never represented any part of the world.

Edited July 15 by Hardkill

[BlueOak]

Half this thread needs a reality check:

Most people couldn't less about anyone but themselves. They don't hate or love you. They don't like or dislike, they don't even think about you. Because all they are focused on, is themselves. As a rule people focus on any group that benefits them or causes them a loss. That is the only time you'll ever come into their focus, and usually this is because someone is telling them this, not that they actually experience it. Unless of course you happen to be bombing them, costing them money, or if they care, getting their political rivals into office.

That's it for 90% of the world. They don't care either way. 

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There are groups that are professional haters, nazi's for example, but for the tiny % of the population they are, they get far too much media time. And they are being told that this group or that group is causing them a loss.

There also a small percentage of us that extend our identity to also be other, or on this forum the parts of ourselves that are in pain or suffering experienced by other reflections, and we either hate you or help you depending on what if we perceive you are causing 'other' or on this forum, parts of us to suffer.
 

[Karmadhi]

On 7/14/2025 at 11:56 PM, Leo Gura said:

It's a good question where the hate historically came from. The pre-Isreal negative view of them.

It came mostly from religious reasons since they blamed Jews for killing Christ

Do not forget hatred for Jews pre Israel was mostly a Christian thing

Other groups including Muslims treated Jews not worse than they treated other groups

Christians had a specific hatred for Jews for religious reasons

The Muslim hatred for Jews mostly started because of Israel

 

Edited July 16 by Karmadhi

[Aaron p]

I think it's probably got something to do with the fact that they are inherently a very ingenuitive people. They create, prosper and flourish vehemently with focus and innovation. Lots of them are rich and they usually insult other ingenuitive people because of how humbly lots of them live. Or at least the ones I know do. There could also be a subconscious threat they pose to the socio-spiritual structure and hierarchy of other cultures, seeing as their religion is so fundamental to certain things. For example all of western civilization is built on Christianity and Christianity stems from Judaism. That's where you get the term "Judeo-Christian." ...not to mention they consider themselves as the chosen people of God. 

People don't like that.

They're kinda like that one annoying guy in class who's always way too positive, happy and successful. 

Edited July 16 by Aaron p

[enchanted]

When Genghis Khan invaded Europe, The Europeans thought the dark skinned devils were somehow a Jewish curse....... So the Christians, defenseless against the sophisticated Mongols, started rounding up and murdering the Jews instead🤣. (Source Genghis Khan book)

[Leo Gura]

7 hours ago, enchanted said:

Source Genghis Khan book