Review Ending unnecessary Suffering by Peter Ralston

[Breakingthewall]

Another approach (please, insult if you don't understand)

Ralston claims that “you are identified with your structure,” and that therefore you can “disidentify” from it and thus end unnecessary suffering. But this claim contains a radical structural error: it presupposes that there is a “you” separate from the structure that can step outside of it. In reality, you are your structure. There is no essential, independent “you” that can observe the structure from outside. The structure that is perceived as “I” is the form that reality takes in this particular node. So you are not identified with the structure, but rather you are that structure. You cannot disidentify from yourself, because there is nothing outside of you from which to do so. The desire for disidentification is, in fact, an even deeper identification with the idea of eliminating suffering. It is a reaction of the structure itself, which rejects itself.

The only way: It is not escaping from the structure, but opening totally from it. It is not denying the self, but seeing it as an inevitable form that can become transparent to the real flow. Freedom is not about disidentification, since the one who disidentifies is the self, which is placed on another artificial plane. Freedom comes with openness, in which the self becomes transparent and sees itself as the becoming of the absolute in eternal flow. This understanding is direct and present. It occurs when closure ceases.

Ralston conveys emptiness without glory, clarity without life, understanding without heart. This reveals that the openness he has achieved is partial, because he has not touched the living root of reality: he has not entered into the fire, the fullness, the absolute that manifests when the structure opens completely. Then, partial opensess is equal than closure. And closure leads to distortion, mistake. It's a problem, because seems authentic when you see if from more closure. 

Done with that topic, Its just my opinion , don't get offended 

Edited August 3, 2025 by Breakingthewall

[Joshe]

So are you saying if the average person wants to stop suffering, all they need to do is become enlightened? 

[PurpleTree]

15 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Address the thought with the aim to stop them occuring. 

You contemplate. Why am I having this thought? Fear. What am I afraid of? A concept. Is that real? What IS it? Can I touch it? Smell it? Taste it? No. It is not real. It is not in reality. It is a concept feeling negativity. It is blinding me, spoiling my experience. It is a thought. It. Is. Not. Real. 

Once you realise the above, the source for the thought, the fear, dissolves. No repression. Genuine insight. 

This is what Ralston is saying.

 

Is this like shadow work?

Or is this as buddhists say use an arrow to get rid of another arrow?

[OBEler]

I suffer a lot in the Morning after waking up because of a harsh breakup. Stomach issues and stress wakes me up earlier than needed. How can I stop that? Or is that the necessary part of suffering you cannot stop. 

[Leo Gura]

31 minutes ago, OBEler said:

I suffer a lot in the Morning after waking up because of a harsh breakup. Stomach issues and stress wakes me up earlier than needed. How can I stop that? Or is that the necessary part of suffering you cannot stop. 

Breakup pain is natural. You have to processs that loss, not zero it out.

This is why I dislike the whole notion of "ending suffering".

You can't just end suffering  you gotta live through it.

[James123]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Breakup pain is natural. You have to processs that loss, not zero it out.

This is why I dislike the whole notion of "ending suffering".

You can't just end suffering  you gotta live through it.

Entire spirituality is finding that I who suffers 😂 

Pain is inevitable for the body, yes. 

But where the fuck are you in the body? That's the question 😂 

I have watch many documentaries about brain, and I couldn't see the person in there. 😂 

[Joseph Maynor]

16 minutes ago, James123 said:

Entire spirituality is finding that I who suffers 😂 

Pain is inevitable for the body, yes. 

But where the fuck are you in the body? That's the question 😂 

I have watch many documentaries about brain, and I couldn't see the person in there. 😂 

So how does this help you avoid pain?

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

So how does this help you avoid pain?

As long body exist pain is inevitable. But suffering, bullshit. 

There is no upsetting because of pain. Only, pain. Like breathing.

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

But suffering, bullshit. 

Suffering is not bullshit.

It teaches life's best lessons.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Suffering also appears to follow a pattern of association with awakening. Or, enlightenment.

Edited 3 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[James123]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Suffering is not bullshit.

It teaches life's best lessons.

Of course, but till death, it teaches you how to die/ surrender or it gives you no choice but surrender 😂 💋 

[OBEler]

I suffer since 7 month. I learned my lesson, so now how can I stop that. Has Peter Ralston addressed that suffering in the Morning when cortisol is so high it wakes you up? I sleep less than 5 hours every day because of this stress. The first 3 hours in the morning after waking up are brutal. 

During the day I feel just a subtle suffering in the background. I can live with that. 

Edited 3 hours ago by OBEler

[Joseph Maynor]

We all suffer.  Suffering a breakup is one of the worst forms of suffering.  Especially if you love the person deeply.

[Leo Gura]

Always keep in mind that Ralston is an alien relative to you. So you will not just get his results by following him.

Ralston is a genetic freak. But he never explicitly tells you that in his work. Which misleads many average people. You are following an alien, hoping to be like him. But he is not like you.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[AerisVahnEphelia]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Breakup pain is natural. You have to processs that loss, not zero it out.

This is why I dislike the whole notion of "ending suffering".

You can't just end suffering  you gotta live through it.

In fact you can. 

But it will be alien consciousness. And alien are casted away from the realm of humanity. 

To live like an human require the whole packaging of being human. 

 

[James123]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Always keep in mind that Ralston is an alien relative to you. So you will not just get his results by following him.

Ralston is a genetic freak. But he never explicitly tells you that in his work. Which misleads many average people. You are following an alien, hoping to be like him. But he is not like you.

No man, no.

İt doesn't need be freak in genetic, all it takes it to die before body and mind dies. So, need a heart to kill yourself and every expectations , including finding the Truth, for Truth. 

Then done.

After that neither God is there nor you.  

[Natasha Tori Maru]

36 minutes ago, OBEler said:

I suffer since 7 month. I learned my lesson, so now how can I stop that. Has Peter Ralston addressed that suffering in the Morning when cortisol is so high it wakes you up? I sleep less than 5 hours every day because of this stress. The first 3 hours in the morning after waking up are brutal. 

During the day I feel just a subtle suffering in the background. I can live with that. 

Maybe morning time is difficult for you when enduring bad feelings and emotions.

Most people have a time of day they feel pain and suffering more keenly.

My lowest mood time if day is always morning. Just natural to me. When I am depressed, mornings are just the worst. The rest of the day, once I get through the morning, is much easier. Gentle. In contrast my brother has low mood around 3pm. Perhaps it follows your hormonal rhythms?

I am sorry to hear of your suffering - my heart goes out to you 💜 

At least, once the morning is over, there is some small measure of repreave for you 

Edited 2 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, James123 said:

İt doesn't need be freak in genetic,

But he is.

[Joseph Maynor]

20 minutes ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

In fact you can. 

But it will be alien consciousness. And alien are casted away from the realm of humanity. 

To live like an human require the whole packaging of being human. 

 

Alien consciousness just means me right?  

[James123]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But he is.

İt has nothing to do with genetics, is this am olympic competition?

And moreover, don't make it as big deal, oh he is genetic freak, so he can do it etc...

It is You, always. Just need a heart to die for Truth, giving anything and everything back,

Edit: which is what was gained with physical birth. 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by James123