Why God Dreams Up Such Crappy Lives?

[Inliytened1]

22 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

@Razard86 @Inliytened1

I do the difference between human mind and God mind. God Mind is everything (objects, planets, rocks, atoms), human mind is a specific sub product of God-Mind

 

Yes its to be alive.   You ARE reality.  Anyway my point was reality isn't just dumb infinity.  It is aware..it can feel and have emotions. It's intelligent.  Deeply intelligent. 

There's no difference between God mind and human mind other than the false belief that you believe you are real.  You are imaginary.

 

 

Edited June 23 by Inliytened1

[Someone here]

Why do you dream of nightmares at night ? When you have a nightmare..aren't you yourself creating this bad experience for yourself ? Ultimately ..it's a philosophical question. 

Some philosophers argue against the problem of evil (why an all powerful all loving God creates suffering?) By saying existence is better than non-existence. And whatever ends up happening in life is better off than pure nothingness. 

I'm not sure if that's true under all conditions . Would you rather go to sleep and never wake up again? ..or go to sleep and drift off between endless dreams ..some of them are pinky and beautiful and some of them are horrific and painful? 

 

[Javfly33]

16 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

n the false belief that you believe you are real.  You are imaginary.

 

 

Definitely. "I" is the biggest illusion. 

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

Why do you dream of nightmares at night ? When you have a nightmare..aren't you yourself creating this bad experience for yourself ? Ultimately ..it's a philosophical question. 

Nightmares at night is a consequence of the brain. 

2 minutes ago, Someone here said:

And whatever ends up happening in life is better off than pure nothingness. 

 

Nothingness is already the case. Mind creates the illusion that there is something. 

[Someone here]

6 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Nightmares at night is a consequence of the brain. 

Who's brain ? You .

6 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Nothingness is already the case. Mind creates the illusion that there is something. 

Is there a difference between an empty glass and a full glass ?

Edited June 23 by Someone here

[Inliytened1]

30 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Why do you dream of nightmares at night ? When you have a nightmare..aren't you yourself creating this bad experience for yourself ? Ultimately ..it's a philosophical question. 

Some philosophers argue against the problem of evil (why an all powerful all loving God creates suffering?) By saying existence is better than non-existence. And whatever ends up happening in life is better off than pure nothingness. 

I'm not sure if that's true under all conditions . Would you rather go to sleep and never wake up again? ..or go to sleep and drift off between endless dreams ..some of them are pinky and beautiful and some of them are horrific and painful? 

 

Suffering is a necessary evil with regards to limitation. Once something is limited - it becomes finite. Yada Yada..you know where I'm going.  Why don't you just meditate at this point or take some psychedelics? You are so  close to being enlightened.  Just do it. Like the Nike commercial 👌

Edited June 23 by Inliytened1

[Someone here]

6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Why don't you just meditate at this point or take some psychedelics?

I don't meditate because it's mostly a waste of time to sit there trying to play kung fu with your thoughts.  My mind is hyperactive and racy all the time .

I don't take psychedelics because they are banned where I live . Also because I don't need them either to achieve understanding of things .

[UnbornTao]

It seems to me that the question attempts to validate a position of victimhood, ignoring the active role each person plays in shaping their own life. Forget about God. Without a belief system getting in the way, and speaking from experience, what is it that you're trying to ask? And why?

Edited June 23 by UnbornTao

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I don't meditate because it's mostly a waste of time to sit there trying to play kung fu with your thoughts.  My mind is hyperactive and racy all the time .

I don't take psychedelics because they are banned where I live . Also because I don't need them either to achieve understanding of things .

Thsts true.  You got it all figrured out.  But you can become it.  It's worth the  ticket 

Edited June 23 by Inliytened1

[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

You got it all figrured out

I didn't imply that .

Plus ..there are infinite things to understand and figure out ..which means there is nothing to figure out at all . As long as the sun rises and I have a roof above my head and I have food and water in the fridge then I'm happy .

Nothing wrong with travelling around and getting some psychedelics to mindfuck me...but it's not available for me at the moment . That's all .

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I didn't imply that .

Plus ..there are infinite things to understand and figure out ..which means there is nothing to figure out at all . As long as the sun rises and I have a roof above my head and I have food and water in the fridge then I'm happy .

Nothing wrong with travelling around and getting some psychedelics to mindfuck me...but it's not available for me at the moment . That's all .

Powerful.  But you took the time to understand reality.  What about those that still think Jesus is coming? What about them.  What are we supposed to do with them.  I guess just hugs. 

Edited June 23 by Inliytened1

[James123]

On 6/19/2025 at 10:58 AM, SQAAD said:

I was watching a documentary about the lives of people who were "stuck" in mental institutions, some of the worst ones, like the one in Leros.

I felt very disturbed afterwards. Why God would dream up such a crappy life?

It would seem better to be a fly flying on a wall rather than being forgotten , unloved, and left to die on such crappy conditions.

I think noone can really answer this. Many just use denial as a coping mechanism.

Some moments in life are really really terrible but maybe it's not that bad. I don't know.

 

Godliness is living within the moment. (Thoughtlessness)

Your question or any question is within the mind. (Attachment with thoughts)

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Who's brain ? You .

What?

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Is there a difference between an empty glass and a full glass ?

Yes, the full glass has water in it.

[Joshe]

Forget about the what and why of God. Focus on the what and why of your current reality. Trace back your suffering. What errors did you repeatedly make to manifest your living hell? 

When you can bear no more, make hell your enemy, not God. Take full responsibility for your reality. This is the only way to escape hell. God will not come save you. You have to save yourself. That’s God’s love. God will rejoice when you escape your hell. 

Hell arises from being irresponsible. Make hell your enemy and wipe the floor with that mother fucker. Never take a position of weakness where you wish things were better. Know that they will only be made better by your striving to make them so... then strive. Do that until you die. What else do you have to do? Wallow? 

 Hell does not exist in its rawest form when you’re carving out escape tunnels. You focus on the task at hand until you’re free. 

My life reached that point where I couldn’t take it anymore, and a decision had to be made. I chose life and I was filled with an energy to overcome hell, and I did, not by wallowing in what was, but by persistently searching for my error and doubling down on my efforts to make hell no more. When you take full responsibility and choose life, you will be endowed with the energy you need to get out of hell. 

If the energy doesn’t seem to be available to you, I recommend all the works by James Allen. Make him your only teacher for a time. 

Edited June 23 by Joshe

[Inliytened1]

24 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Forget about the what and why of God. Focus on the what and why of your current reality. Trace back your suffering. What errors did you repeatedly make to manifest your living hell? When you can bear no more, make hell your enemy, not God. Take full responsibility for your reality. This is the only way to escape hell. God will not come save you. You have to save yourself. That’s God’s love. God will rejoice when you escape your hell. 

Hell arises from being irresponsible. Make hell your enemy and wipe the floor with that mother fucker. Never take a position of weakness where you wish things were better. Know that they will be made better by your striving to make them so, and strive. Do that until you die. What else do you have to do? Wallow? 

 Hell does not exist in its rawest form when you’re carving out escape tunnels. You focus on the task at hand until you’re free. 

My life reached that point where I couldn’t take it anymore, and a decision had to be made. I chose life and I was filled with an energy to overcome hell, and I did, not by wallowing in what was, but by persistently searching for my error and doubling down on my efforts to make hell no more. When you take full responsibility and choose life, you will be endowed with the energy you need to get out of hell. 

I recommend all the works by James Allen. Make him your only teacher for a time. 

Beautiful.   But we don't need "other". Liberation is within yourself.    Leaning on other can help but only until you can let go of that.  

Edited June 23 by Inliytened1

[Salariatu]

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Stop calling reality or consciousness God. Becoming God or Awakened is a whole other spectrum. Stop identifying with the exterior, that is not you, you are only the body you have. Escape the matrix of society and don't be identified with it's ego. Sop believing that you have to kill your ego, you only have to reset and regain naturality, building a natural ego wich is an identity in yourself not outside, the true identity. Being the reason we follow the breath. 

[kbone]

On 6/20/2025 at 5:06 PM, Breakingthewall said:

How and why are extremely obvious. Why: because there are no limits. How? The limitless adopt infinite forms reflecting in itself infinitely. Everything is infinite, the fact of the absence of limitations is why you are, the being is. Being and absence of limits are one. Everything is unlimited, the reality manifested is the infinity flowing in itself. Right now that's what is happening. This is a possibility happening, and it's depth is unfathomable, you can perceive it right now. This instant is alive, is unlimited, in it it's everything, the totality of the reality, the absolute.  key is breaking all the barriers in you. The absolute is just unlimited, but that's everything. 

Fair enough if you want to give that kind of answer to a mind that is asking such question. The next how/why will pop up immediately after that. The mind is insatiable. Perhaps I should have stated that any how/why question about Truth is (in essence) misconceived. The way I see it, in order to fully appreciate the answers you gave, one would have to have at least transcended the typical mindset of cause-and-effect. Whether or not one would need to fully realize what has been pointed to for thousands of years as "Unlimited/Infinite/God/Consciousness/This/etc etc etc" before fully appreciating the answer is debatable, I guess, but what would be the point.

I understand what you are saying. What you call 'unlimited' (adjective/noun) is your expression for what other people might refer to with other words, and that is perfectly fine. You do a great job of fleshing out your perspective in what I assume is your second language (at least). ¿Eres un Madrileño?

You are very emphatic about aspects of your expression, which I think it to do just that, EMPHASIZE, and it does help me understand/respect what you are attempting to convey as a depth,,, as words simply do not do it justice. That is often why I say the "Realization" is beyond/prior to mind, as it seemingly is of a depth that transcends and includes the appearing world... (words, thoughts, the air we breathe, the love and horrors we experience, the majesties of the universe, etc etc etc).

[kbone]

On 6/20/2025 at 5:11 PM, Breakingthewall said:

 synchrony and perfection are the same. For something to appear, there must be change. For there to be change, there must be movement relative to another, two states reflecting each other. This means there are infinite states reflecting each other. So, what is a reflection? It's something that is in relation to other, that is relative to another. For something to appear and exist stably, it must be synchronized to the infinite power with the infinite totality of reality. This is equivalent to perfection. Perfection means nothing; what exists does so because it fits exactly with the totality of reality.  This is just a logical deduction given the unlimited. The reality is logical, coherence is equal to logic. 

Yes,  logical deduction. Existence is.

Beyond that expression is fine, but many tend to veer off into greater and greater abstraction in order to facilitate the mind's limited understanding. I do understand what you are saying about 're-'flection and the ideas of forms that you are alluding to with respect to Platonian thought. I'm sure Rumi would understand, too. Many of the Sufi's were steeped in Greek thought. I dig'em.

Any seeker of Truth is transcending the boundaries you speak of. Even when the individuation has apprehended Truth, it still takes time to inform the mind of its limitations. I use the term 'mind' as someone's capacity to think personally, impersonally, transpersonally, existentially. I suppose I might capitalize it as 'Mind' to emphasize the more transpersonal/existential, though I am aware that some peeps hate that kinda device. Whatevs...

When I say 'Perfectly so", I mean so in the same way. It is what it is, and the mind's functions have inherent limitations though what's Realizable is unlimited... Perfectly so.

[UnbornTao]

But does "it"? 

[kbone]

15 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

But does "it"? 

Does what do what?

[UnbornTao]

52 minutes ago, kbone said:

Does what do what?

Does God dream up crappy lives? 

Better questions: What is life, and what makes it one way or another?