Israel launches attack on Iran

[Twentyfirst]

3 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

Why should Israel have nukes ILLEGALLY and Iran cannot?

I do not want Iran to have nukes but the idea that Israel is somehow "ok" to have nukes and Iran cannot is pure bias and bullshit

Israel are Jewish supremacists and Iranians are Islamic ideologues

North Korea has nukes and they have not used them, why would Iran use them?

North Korea chants "Death to America" too you know, they hate USA as much as Iran government does not yet they never used nukes

It is simply a deterrant not to be invaded by you

This is Israel. I like this guy because he is very honest about what Israel truly is instead of lying like most "moderates" in Israel do.

This country has nukes and lectures others not to have nukes

 

I saw this guy debating Destiny. He's confused

1. Not from Palestine but still thinks the land is his

2. Wants to use Western ideology when it serves him and middle eastern ways of living when it serves him

3. Feels as though he is persecuted but still lives in the land that he is a victim in rather than leaving

The honesty is good though but it doesn't matter because nobody in that region ever believed the lies for a second

[Twentyfirst]

42 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

The suffering currently experienced by Israeli society represents only a minute fraction of what Palestinian society has endured over the past year.

Almost two years now

Oh yeah and 75 years before that

[Breakingthewall]

8 hours ago, Scholar said:

I don't know why people are being so naive about this.

Trump is in office, Trump is literally a one time opportunity for Israel given that for some reason he will literally suck Netenyahus dick if he has to, so obviously Israel will use this time to take out their nr. 1 enemy.

There probably will never be an opportunity like this for them again, and even if Iran did not have any nuclear weaposn almost ready to be deployed, it's not like that's the only reason why Iran is such a threat to Israel.

Iran has been destabilizing the region and is the last actor that is a genuine security risk to Israel, taking them out just makes sense from their perspective.

 

And secretly, most actors in the region will support this move. They don't like Iran, they don't want them to ever have nuclear weapns, and they probably won't mind if the regime collapses or if the entire country becomes a failed state.

Naive? Wow you are so mature, but you didn't understand my question. I'm going to make it simpler, let's see if you get it: if there is not invasion, and an invasion seems impossible, then the Iranian regime wouldn't fall. If the Iranian regime wouldn't fall it will get stronger against an external enemy, then what Israel would achieve bombing? Did you get it now? 

[Twentyfirst]

[PurpleTree]

 

[Breakingthewall]

This war will most likely end with a kind of Iranian victory. Israel cannot maintain its offensive and missile shield for long. The Iranians have nothing to lose; they will continue to launch missiles, and some will hit Israel. In a few days, probably Israel will claim that it has achieved its objectives by destroying Iran's atomic capacity. This will not be true, since they have the knowledge and the means. The Iranian regime will be strengthened. Bibi will have cleaned up his image in Israel and the Western world. He will no longer be the butcher of Gaza but the defender of peace against the Islamists with atomic bombs. However, in the rest of the world, NATO will be seen as a little weaker, as has happened in Ukraine. Small steps towards decline.

[Karmadhi]

14 hours ago, Scholar said:

Israel has nukes because it built them before anyone could stop them, and they were smart enough not to threaten to use them to destroy others as soon as they got them repeatedly.

 

Geopolitics doesn't work through moral appeals to fairness and equality my friend, welcome to reality.

It is not about nukes but regime change so Iran will become Israel's new puppet and allow them to take more land in Palestine

That is the true reason for this war

It happened now because Iran is at its weakest

[PurpleTree]

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

16 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

It is not about nukes but regime change so Iran will become Israel's new puppet and allow them to take more land in Palestine

That is the true reason for this war

It happened now because Iran is at its weakest

How to change the Iranian regime with some bombs? It will get stronger 

[PurpleTree]

The comment section of Ben Shakira videos right now is wild

 

[Karmadhi]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn7vje365rno

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/backstories/3647/

Read these two one after the other and you will see there is basically not much difference between the two

@Leo Gura Since you put Russia as more barbaric than Israel, how do you explain such similar treatment to captured people from the other side ?

 

Edited Friday at 12:39 PM by Karmadhi

[Nivsch]

@Karmadhi You have stage Red cells in any country, but here it is reinforced by the far right extremists in the Knesset.

Edited Friday at 01:56 PM by Nivsch

[Rafael Thundercat]

Just this one for reflection on how Ideology corrupts a mind. Here are jews defending Palestine and agaist Israel zionist corruption. And the lady? Oh the lady. If you dont watch your mind you become that lady. 

 

[hundreth]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

This war will most likely end with a kind of Iranian victory. Israel cannot maintain its offensive and missile shield for long. The Iranians have nothing to lose; they will continue to launch missiles, and some will hit Israel. In a few days, probably Israel will claim that it has achieved its objectives by destroying Iran's atomic capacity. This will not be true, since they have the knowledge and the means. The Iranian regime will be strengthened. Bibi will have cleaned up his image in Israel and the Western world. He will no longer be the butcher of Gaza but the defender of peace against the Islamists with atomic bombs. However, in the rest of the world, NATO will be seen as a little weaker, as has happened in Ukraine. Small steps towards decline.

This is kind of a ridiculous take. Iran has been absolutely embarrassed both domestically and Internationally. They will damage Israel in the process but Israel has already inflicted severe damage to the Iranian regime. They've killed most of their military leadership, destroyed many ballistic missile sites, severely impacted other nuclear sites, and now they've made enough progress for the Americans to feel good enough about contributing to the cause.

The Israelis have full air supremacy over Iran, they can come and go as they please. Meanwhile, Iran has a few weeks of missiles left. They will run out and become sitting ducks. The supreme leader is mentally distraught and in hiding. It's now a question of whether he will even survive past the next month, let alone be some kind of victor in this mess.

This reminds me of the Hezbollah conflict where posters here were hyping up all of Hezbollah's small victories and how strong Nasrallah was. Hezbollah isn't like Hamas, they ACTUALLY have a potent force. Ok, and now they are broken.

Edited Friday at 03:28 PM by hundreth

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, hundreth said:

This is kind of a ridiculous take. Iran has been absolutely embarrassed both domestically and Internationally

We will see. First, that of ridiculous It's unnecessary. Why do people use such stupid comments? I don't know. Maybe because they're shy in person.

The issue is how long Israel can maintain the missile shield without it collapsing. If it collapses, we will see what happens. Israel could destroy Tehran, but the Iranian regime couldn't care less. What will Israel achieve? Absolutely nothing. The Iranian regime will remain there, more motivated than before to obtain an atomic bomb.

[hundreth]

12 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

We will see. First, that of ridiculous It's unnecessary. Why do people use such stupid comments? I don't know. Maybe because they're shy in person.

The issue is how long Israel can maintain the missile shield without it collapsing. If it collapses, we will see what happens. Israel could destroy Tehran, but the Iranian regime couldn't care less. What will Israel achieve? Absolutely nothing. The Iranian regime will remain there, more motivated than before to obtain an atomic bomb.

Do you know how many ballistic missiles Iran has and how many they've used so far?

Look it up.

[Breakingthewall]

44 minutes ago, hundreth said:

Do you know how many ballistic missiles Iran has and how many they've used so far?

Look it up.

They have like 2500 right? Not enough to overwhelm Israeli defenses, but if Israel ends the attack, say in a week, what would it have achieved?

[Breakingthewall]

Seen from another angle, the victory is Israeli. The damage it has caused is symbolic, but the warning is that it could destroy energy hubs, telecommunications, supply routes, and completely collapse the country within weeks. Iran hasn't shot down a single fighter jet; they can wander around Iran and destroy. This weakens the regime.

[Twentyfirst]

5 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

The comment section of Ben Shakira videos right now is wild

 

Strange how he wants the US out of the UN even though that is the only veto power that prevents Palestinian state. Maybe his bias is clouding him

[Twentyfirst]

1 hour ago, hundreth said:

Do you know how many ballistic missiles Iran has and how many they've used so far?

Look it up.

How many Israelis have left the country since the attacks?