Israel launches attack on Iran

[Keryo Koffa]

17 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

Did anyone in this thread mention that Netanyahu fled to Greece? Flee the sinking ship lol

Imagine if Netanyahu got the Greta treatment lol

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Nivsch said:

People from the deep right wing I thought I know for years are now happy from Eli Cohen (in Netanyahu government) suggestion to bomb 100 buulding in Iran for each building the falls here

I don't think Netanyahu will do that. The idea is that the war is against the dictatorial regime, not against the Iranians. Iran would be satisfied if Israel intentionally killed civilians because it would unite the people against an external enemy.

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, zazen said:

Iran makes missiles like Cubans make cigars. And no Western air defence can intercept the advanced ones

Iran has launched nearly 300 missiles and drones, killing 10 people. How many operational missiles do you think it has? At this rate, it'll be left with nothing in two weeks. Iran's response is symbolic. They say they have hypersonic missiles, but it doesn't seem true. Even they have they would be limited. They are too far for real damage 

[GabeN]

On 6/14/2025 at 6:53 AM, Nivsch said:

Luckily it won't be able to "defend itself" with nukes 😌

Indeed,

Nukes in the hands of crazy religious extremists is the last thing we need 

[GroovyGuru]

44 minutes ago, GabeN said:

Indeed,

Nukes in the hands of crazy religious extremists is the last thing we need 

Not sure if you are being sarcastic, but literally nothing would stabilize the Middle East in our current circumstances more than Iran acquiring nuclear weapons. 

[PurpleTree]

9 minutes ago, GroovyGuru said:

Not sure if you are being sarcastic, but literally nothing would stabilize the Middle East in our current circumstances more than Iran acquiring nuclear weapons. 

Not necessarily. Because then Saudis will get nukes too and so on. And Iran could also give their nukes to proxies. Look here young dolph i mean MBS. The les nutty governments have nukes the better.

 

[GroovyGuru]

@PurpleTree Nah, Israel can’t be the only nuclear equipped country in the Middle East. Also I wouldn’t characterize the Iranian government as “nutty” in the way you are. It’s obviously true that they are a theocracy and pretty authoritarian, but to suggest that this means they are irrational actors who would willingly ignite nuclear armageddon is pretty childish. This notion that Iran is going to destroy the US and Israel as soon as they get their hands on nukes is pure western propaganda. The Islam and ideology of Iran is not that of an Al-Qaeda or Islamic State. Whats more is that I would personally trust nuclear weapons in the hands of Iranians WAY more than being in the hands of Israelis. Ever heard of the Samson Option?

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, GroovyGuru said:

@PurpleTree Nah, Israel can’t be the only nuclear equipped country in the Middle East. Also I wouldn’t characterize the Iranian government as “nutty” in the way you are. It’s obviously true that they are a theocracy and pretty authoritarian, but to suggest that this means they are irrational actors who would willingly ignite nuclear armageddon is pretty childish. This notion that Iran is going to destroy the US and Israel as soon as they get their hands on nukes is pure western propaganda. The Islam and ideology of Iran is not that of an Al-Qaeda or Islamic State. Whats more is that I would personally trust nuclear weapons in the hands of Iranians WAY more than being in the hands of Israelis. Ever heard of the Samson Option?

To have hijab police. To not let men wear shorts. To make dissents vanish. To kill Kurdish figher women with their secret services. I mean is nutty imo but  so is america and the cia.

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, GroovyGuru said:

@PurpleTree Nah, Israel can’t be the only nuclear equipped country in the Middle East. Also I wouldn’t characterize the Iranian government as “nutty” in the way you are. It’s obviously true that they are a theocracy and pretty authoritarian, but to suggest that this means they are irrational actors who would willingly ignite nuclear armageddon is pretty childish. This notion that Iran is going to destroy the US and Israel as soon as they get their hands on nukes is pure western propaganda. The Islam and ideology of Iran is not that of an Al-Qaeda or Islamic State. Whats more is that I would personally trust nuclear weapons in the hands of Iranians WAY more than being in the hands of Israelis. Ever heard of the Samson Option?

I've never heard Israel say that Iran should be wiped off the map. Perhaps Iran promotes violence against Israel because Israel represses Palestinians, but then other countries could fund terrorists in Iran since they repress other branches of non-Shiite Islam. If Iran would forget Israel and be focused d in their own business then maybe everything could be more stable , but Iran is expansionist 

Edited June 15 by Breakingthewall

[GroovyGuru]

@Breakingthewall If it wasn’t for Iran and the Shia block in the Middle East, the Palestinian cause would probably be non-existent, and the country of my parents and ancestors, Lebanon, would probably still be occupied by Israel to this day. You wouldn’t understand unless you’ve seen and physically been to the villages your parents grew up in, and have to endure the thought of one day those very lands being forcibly taken by foreign Jewish settlers. 

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, GroovyGuru said:

@Breakingthewall If it wasn’t for Iran and the Shia block in the Middle East, the Palestinian cause would probably be non-existent, and the country of my parents and ancestors, Lebanon, would probably still be occupied by Israel to this day. You wouldn’t understand unless you’ve seen and physically been to the villages your parents grew up in, and have to endure the thought of one day those very lands being forcibly taken by foreign Jewish settlers. 

How Iran is helping the Palestinian cause? Financing terrorism does not stop Zionism, it accelerates it

Zionism is a big problem, a plague if you want, but it's the business of Iran? Why? Because justice? Nobody cares about it . For example, the Kurds are nearly 40 million stateless people. Turkey constantly attacks the Kurds, killing thousands. Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons against them. Syria and Iran have also been and continue to be aggressive against these people, but it seems no one cares. Kurds are nothing for the public opinion 

Edited June 15 by Breakingthewall

[Nivsch]

7 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Do you think the US should help Israel wage war on Iran?

Only to destroy the regime's nuclear facilities and ballistic missiles.

Edited June 15 by Nivsch

[Karmadhi]

@Leo Gura What are your thoughts on this whole war? Do you think Isarel has legitimate self defense reasons to do this attack or you think it is wrong?

 

[Karmadhi]

7 hours ago, Nivsch said:

People from the deep right wing I thought I know for years are now happy from Eli Cohen (in Netanyahu government) suggestion to bomb 100 buulding in Iran for each building the falls here

Do they actually have the capacity to do that? I feel like both Israel and Iran have powerful air defense systems and neither can do massive damage to the other. I saw Iran hit some buildings yesterday and they did do a lot of damage but I think that is the best they got. I dont think Iran can wipe off Israel off the Map as they claim even if they want.

Same with Israel (not including the very first day where Iran got totally caught off guard)

Now I am sure Israel may be able to do more damage to Iran than via versa but for them to be able to bomb 100 fold more I think is not possible. Perhaps a 5-10 fold at the most.

Edited June 15 by Karmadhi

[Nivsch]

@Karmadhi Because they don't have nuke and this is the purpose of this war to ensure that, what I think is legitimate (if Netanyahu won't abuse this war too, and do different unecessary things...)

Edited June 15 by Nivsch

[voxun]

1 hour ago, GroovyGuru said:

@PurpleTree Nah, Israel can’t be the only nuclear equipped country in the Middle East. Also I wouldn’t characterize the Iranian government as “nutty” in the way you are. It’s obviously true that they are a theocracy and pretty authoritarian, but to suggest that this means they are irrational actors who would willingly ignite nuclear armageddon is pretty childish. This notion that Iran is going to destroy the US and Israel as soon as they get their hands on nukes is pure western propaganda. The Islam and ideology of Iran is not that of an Al-Qaeda or Islamic State. Whats more is that I would personally trust nuclear weapons in the hands of Iranians WAY more than being in the hands of Israelis. Ever heard of the Samson Option?

Isreal has had nuclear weapons for a long time and they never used it.

Edited June 15 by voxun

[voxun]

A lot of videos are starting to pop up of Iranians shouting Death to the Dictator' and 'Death to Khamenei'. 

I'm not a Isreal fan but their military strength is super impressive. I live in Belgium and Isreals landmass is smaller then Belgiums they have less people around 9 million. Now if you go to https://thetruesize.com/

You can put the map of Isreal inside Irand and see how large Iran is compared to Isreal. It's 75 times smaller. Yet they seemed to have in a very short time weaken Iran so much it will have a hard time defending itself in the air at least. It's clear that the Iranian regime has been infiltrated heavily by mossad agents.

Let's hope the Iranian people are better of after this. Of course if a power vacuum happens there is a good chance it will be filled by another strong man.

 

[voxun]

Here is some pretty cool coverage from Mahyar Tousi who was raised in Iran and his dad is still in Tehran being held by the IRGC. He doesn't seem to be opposed to regime change. 

 

[PurpleTree]

35 minutes ago, voxun said:

Here is some pretty cool coverage from Mahyar Tousi who was raised in Iran and his dad is still in Tehran being held by the IRGC. He doesn't seem to be opposed to regime change. 

 

Don’t know if this video is true. It sounds a bit propaganda. But if it were true it would be quite smart from the Israelis to attack intelligence and police headquarters etc. to get a lot of good will from regime critical Iranian people.

[Twentyfirst]

1 hour ago, voxun said:

Isreal has had nuclear weapons for a long time and they never used it.

It's how they got it. Basically without permission or admitting they have them. Maybe they killed JFK to get them, I don't know

Why do Europeans have nukes in the Middle East but the actual countries of the Middle East can't have them?