LA Protests

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Jayson G said:

@Leo Gura maybe its a rule of life: the less you possess (stuff, attachments, etc.) .. the clearer you see. Just a theory. 

It's not about possessions it's about living for power.

There are those who live for power and those who don't.

[Jayson G]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

It's not about possessions it's about living for power.

There are those who live for power and those who don't.

@Leo Gura ah okay, that is an important distinction. 

I can see such extreme levels of power being blinding .. that possibly explains trumps and musk's behavior as well. 

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's not about possessions it's about living for power.

There are those who live for power and those who don't.

And the question remains how do those who don’t live for power keep those ib check who do. It’s almost impossible because the power hungry have a battery in their back.

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

And the question remains how do those who don’t live for power keep those ib check who do. It’s almost impossible because the power hungry have a battery in their back.

Mostly by speaking truth to power.

All power sits on a foundation of lies and falsehoods and unconsciousness. So shedding light on that is how power ultimately loses. Which is why all power is obsessed with suppressing truth.

Which is why I focus on truth rather than leftist loyalty.

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Mostly by speaking truth to power.

All power sits on a foundation of lies and falsehoods and unconsciousness. So shedding light on that is how power ultimately loses. Which is why all power is obsessed with suppressing truth.

Which is why I focus on truth rather than leftist loyalty.

Ok yes in places like the US, Brazil, Europe you can do that. But then in places like Iran, China, Russia, Salvador, Saudi, Dubai etc. you can’t do that.

[aurum]

12 hours ago, Apparition of Jack said:

And who gets most of that value? Your average postman? Librarian? Nurse? Doctor?

Or does it all go to an increasingly small number of elites who have more money than God and the desire to control and dominate the world as they see fit? Productivity has been exploding in America for decades and yet even the most basic human fundamentals like housing and healthcare are increasingly out of reach for the vast majority of the population. What’s the point of being productive if you never get to see the fruits of that productivity?

And no, iPhones and Netflix shows aren’t a replacement for heathy, prosperous communities where no one goes sick or hungry. Plus, those things are often a function of natural professions in technology, you don’t need absurd extractive economics to develop them.

 

Value is never equally distributed. But it's still distributed.

[danniel]

@Leo Gura

Exactly the point i was trying to make to that guy, with my understanding, it would be slightly hypocritical of you to supported either end, for what your teaching stand for, as being on partisan spectrum is 'something'. Since you understand what nothingness is than almost everyone here.  

I guess a 'non left' reply means a 'right supportive' reply(and vice versa) for a mind who is not aware of its own judgements.

However in my personal opinion, these riots feel like an answer against the brutalities of ICE agents, not only their ways of catching someone, but their ways of keeping the people who they arrest. Separating mothers from their children, arresting students with a valid student visas and permits, etc. I think they is a better way to catch those who actually need to be tried and deported. 

 I will say that it is very easy to fell in favor of these riots for a leftist, for the emotions it stirs, base green mindset probs. 

[Leo Gura]

27 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Ok yes in places like the US, Brazil, Europe you can do that. But then in places like Iran, China, Russia, Salvador, Saudi, Dubai etc. you can’t do that.

All politics is about power. If you want power you will have to do evil things to get and keep it. No way around that.

[abundance]

The majority of the demonstrations are peaceful and in a very small portion of the city. People burning and looting isn't right and is bound to occur whenever there is a large mass of people. To synomynize that with the protests at large is disingenuous. Trump side stepping the Cali governor to federalize the national guard and sending Marines is

1. Meant to enflame tensions to justify a larger crackdown
2. Set the precedent that any protest against his policies will be met with military force

Its an extreme power grab. Everyone who is criticizing these protests are missing the larger point here. He is laying the groundwork for ANY dissent to be met with force.

 

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, abundance said:

He is laying the groundwork for ANY dissent to be met with force.

Dude, we already know that. He has the army. He can deploy it any time. There is no slippery slope here. He doesn't need to lay anything. He already has the power.

You live at Trump's mercy. That's what it means to lose an election.

Edited June 10 by Leo Gura

[zazen]

Statesmen are ruthless, tyrants are evil - yet both have power.

Power is leverage - the ability to shape others without being shaped. Some forms of leverage are cleaner or dirtier than others.

Power dynamics require compromises - but there’s a difference between strategic compromise and moral surrender to the dark side.

If power is the engine, principle is the steering. Easier said than done.

 

[kray]

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Dude, we already know that. He has the army. He can deploy it any time. There is no slippery slope here. He doesn't need to lay anything. He already has the power.

You live at Trump's mercy. That's what it means to lose an election.

Damn, I guess best thing is to put our heads down, focus on our life purpose without getting swayed by social media activism, and vote the right people for our best interests.

[abundance]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Dude, we already know that. He has the army. He can deploy it any time. There is no slippery slope here. He doesn't need to lay anything. He already has the power.

You live at Trump's mercy. That's what it means to lose an election.

Well that's what it means to lose an election to a president with authoritarian tendencies. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.   

[carterfelder]

Is it okay to ask what makes Trump a bad person? If not, please disregard.

[abundance]

3 minutes ago, carterfelder said:

Is it okay to ask what makes Trump a bad person? If not, please disregard.

If you have to ask you're either not paying attention or too far down the right wing echo chamber for it to matter. 

[carterfelder]

1 minute ago, abundance said:

If you have to ask you're either not paying attention or too far down the right wing echo chamber for it to matter. 

That's not a helpful answer. I'm looking for a more objective answer.

[PurpleTree]

8 minutes ago, carterfelder said:

That's not a helpful answer. I'm looking for a more objective answer.

who is a bad person to you?

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, kray said:

Damn, I guess best thing is to put our heads down, focus on our life purpose without getting swayed by social media activism, and vote the right people for our best interests.

Protesting is important. Keeping Trump accountable is important. It just has to be done intelligently and carefully.

Burning Waymo cars for illegal immigrants is not that. This is leftists behaving like lunatics.

Edited June 10 by Leo Gura

[oldhandle]

2 hours ago, yetineti said:

@oldhandle

Name a better country, overall.

Would be asinine, you'd find some metric in which the USA is "better" and claim I'm wrong. But holy shit dude I've lived in Europe for 3 years and it's extremely better than the USA idek what to say lmao.

[kray]

57 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Protesting is important. Keeping Trump accountable is important. It just has to be done intelligently and carefully.

Burning Waymo cars for illegal immigrants is not that. This is leftists behaving like lunatics.

I think what we are going through right now is a cold civil war, war of ideas, influence and digital exposure. Just how the republican media machine makes use of its optics, the democratic media machine has to do the same. This includes the protests as well. Not the best optics if you are burning the streets, throwing up gang signs and raising the Mexican flag. We need to boost social capital on our side, and show the average joe that we are all Americans fighting for our rights to live peacefully and not in fear of trump’s selfish motives.