LA Protests

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, JTL said:

Can you explaine what you mean by seeing reality?

There is a big difference between approaching a topic with a genuine desire to understand it versus working towards some kind of agenda or doubling-down on one's worldview.

[Hardkill]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Newsom is the most presidential looking Dem I've ever seen.

He's got the looks and he's got the spine.

I gotta say, he’s so far coming off as very presidential in his own right.

However, if he really wants to win the nomination—let alone the presidency—he needs to present himself as at least as economically populist, pro-working-class, and pro-union as Biden was during his time in office. So far, I haven’t seen that from Newsom.

I worry that if Democrats don’t put forward a true “New Deal 2.0” Democrat like FDR, or a real class warrior like Teddy Roosevelt, they could lose again in 2028 and cause even more people to lose faith in the Democratic Party.

Even though Bill Clinton, Obama, and Biden were great presidents, too many Black, Brown, and working-class people in the U.S. felt like each of them ended up being just another career politician, Washington establishment, tied to Wall Street who let them down. As you know, that disillusionment played a big role in why we got Trump in 2016, and again in 2024—and it’s a major reason why people across the country are becoming increasingly angry and cynical about the entire political system.

I also still have several concerns about Newsom running for president, especially the widespread perception that he’s “too liberal” because he’s from California, along with some of the unfortunate things that have happened under his watch. Being from a blue state didn’t used to be a political liability for Democrats, but we’re now more polarized than ever—one of the reasons why California is as blue as it is. Combine that with the rise of the internet, social media, disinformation, and the dominance of right-wing media, and most Americans are now exposed—within seconds—to nonstop propaganda about how “California has become an urban, coastal, far-left woke state” overrun with crime, illegal immigration, unaffordable housing, sky-high living costs, wildfires, socialists, progressives, hippies, Hollywood elites who are out of touch with everyday people, atheists, and condescending, overeducated liberals from secular schools and universities, and so on.

Of course, many of these preconceived notions that most Americans have about California are misleading and outright false. But facts don’t carry the weight they used to. As you know, it’s all about perception, vibes, messaging, and having a strong media ecosystem that can push back against disinformation and reach people effectively—without being drowned out by the flood of toxic right-wing media or the “both-sides” talking points pushed by mainstream corporate outlets.

So, my question is: how is Newsom going to overcome all of that—without a truly severe recession, or even a full-on economic depression like we haven’t seen in over 80 years, taking place under Trump and the Republican Party and lasting through the end of their administration?

 

Edited Thursday at 12:20 AM by Hardkill

[Basman]

It's normal and healthy to deport illegal migrants. There's nothing inherently racist about maintaining border integrity. It's a necessary function of government which you can't simplistically treat as racist. Obama has deported more people than Trump during his first term (3 million). There's no shot Kamala wouldn't have been deporting people either. She just wouldn't make a show of it. 

Borderless societies are a fantasy. Your not going to change fundamental human nature and the need for national integrity. 

[Jodistrict]

5 minutes ago, Basman said:

It's normal and healthy to deport illegal migrants. There's nothing inherently racist about maintaining border integrity. It's a necessary function of government which you can't simplistically treat as racist. Obama has deported more people than Trump during his first term (3 million). There's no shot Kamala wouldn't have been deporting people either. She just wouldn't make a show of it. 

Borderless societies are a fantasy. Your not going to change fundamental human nature and the need for national integrity. 

The brains behind the current deportations is Stephen Miller, who is a well-known bigot and now senior advisor to Trump that has dedicated his life to hatred of Mexicans.  What is being done isn't based on pure motives.   In fact, it is very dark and is not going to end well.

https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/stephen-miller/

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

The brains behind the current deportations is Stephen Miller

Of course he is a racist monster.

Edited Thursday at 12:08 AM by Leo Gura

[kray]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course he is a racist monster.

Sad thing is he comes from a Jewish family with holocaust survivors in his family. Many white nationalists would deny the holocaust and blame the core of global issues on the Jews. 

Edited Thursday at 12:10 AM by kray

[Apparition of Jack]

27 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course he is a racist monster.

Just don’t protest against him, that’s leftist lunacy. 

[kray]

12 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Just don’t protest against him, that’s leftist lunacy. 

I think he didn’t mean that. He just meant not burning cars and waiving Mexican and Palestinian flags, it gives the right more power.

[Apparition of Jack]

11 minutes ago, kray said:

I think he didn’t mean that. He just meant not burning cars and waiving Mexican and Palestinian flags, it gives the right more power.

To which I’d say the level of chaos is severely overblown and the idea that all of Los Angeles is burning is literally a right-wing talking point. You can find videos of protestors telling looters to gtfo of shops because it makes them look bad.

The issue here isn’t whether a few cars have been burnt or not, it’s whether the Trump administration has the legal power to unilaterally deport people without due process and deploy the military (which it doesn’t BTW.) That’s the only important message here.

EDIT: What about all the white, black, Asian, etc protestors? Why do right-wingers act like everyone sticking up for justice has been shipped straight out of Juarez by some cartel or something? What about all the legal Hispanic citizens protesting the very real fear their communities are facing? Do they not exist?

Edited Thursday at 01:01 AM by Apparition of Jack

[Leo Gura]

This issue is not about protests at all. It's about the left's refusal to do anything about illegal immigration.

[Apparition of Jack]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

This issue is not about protests at all. It's about the left's refusal to do anything about illegal immigration.

The Republicans are leftists now?

[Apparition of Jack]

Republican immigration MO:

- Refuse to pass whatever migration reforms the Democrats propose

- Make it harder for migrants to get citizenship so ethnic enclaves develop

- Refuse to provide sane law enforcement bills to enforce deportations for the worst offenders (and never target white business owners while you’re at it)

- Do this for decades while the problems get worse

- Finally decide you’re just going to break the constitution to “fix” the problem you created, all the while blaming Democrats 

- Destroy civil society in the process

- ????

- Profit! 

Edited Thursday at 08:08 AM by Apparition of Jack

[Apparition of Jack]

Let’s not forget that all of this has been caused so Trump can declare martial law and deflect from the Epstein allegations too.

[Hardkill]

32 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This issue is not about protests at all. It's about the left's refusal to do anything about illegal immigration.

Again, why didn't Bush or Trump during his first term ram through an aggressive border security bill through Congress when they each had the government trifecta? In fact, why hasn't Trump worked with Speaker Mike Johnson and Senate Majority leader John Thune to pass their own version of a border security bill when they have the government trifecta right now and would have no problem eliminating the filibuster for it?

It's very sad that Trump and the GOP killed that bipartisan border security bill that Democrats tried to pass last year.

Trump and the Republicans always like to talk a big game about being tough on illegal immigration, but at the end of the day, all they really care about is just owning the libs whenever it's convenient for them instead of enforcing and upgrading our border's security in a competent manner.

Edited Thursday at 01:36 AM by Hardkill

[Breathe]

11 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

You are repeating right wing propaganda.   These people who are being arrested are hard working people. Last week ICE did a military style raid iin South Park to arrest two dishwashers.   Biden and Obama were also deporting criminals.  The criminals are maybe 1 percent of the immigrant population.  The Internet creates reality.  

I used to eat at that restaurant. I left SD a couple years ago, cool that you know it. Best pizza!

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Newsom is the most presidential looking Dem I've ever seen.

He's got the looks and he's got the spine.

He's strong, I admire him for that. But his actions have been questionable lately. Didn't he meet with Bannon on a podcast? I don't know what the fuck that was about.

6 hours ago, carterfelder said:

1) I'm not saying Trump has never caused significant harm during his presidency, I just struggle to find any solid examples.

2) ...along with the rise of political correctness and woke ideology has made it very easy for many to see Trump as a bad person. I was an anti-Trump "anarchist" until disagreements about gender identity with vegan activists who used to be my friends caused me to question the ideologies I had fallen for.

1) Rape, citing an insurrection, tax fraud, money laundering, cozying up to mobsters, collusion with Russia, friends with epstein

2) You took the bait. The anti-woke agenda was meant to distract you from the above. Distract and deflect, that's Trump's survival strategy.

 

YOU TOOK THE BAIT. YOU TOOK THE BAIT. YOU TOOK THE BAIT. YOU TOOK THE BAIT. YOU TOOK THE BAIT. YOU TOOK THE BAIT. YOU TOOK THE BAIT. YOU TOOK THE BAIT. YOU TOOK THE BAIT. YOU TOOK THE BAIT. YOU TOOK THE BAIT. YOU TOOK THE BAIT. YOU TOOK THE BAIT. YOU TOOK THE BAIT. YOU TOOK THE BAIT. YOU TOOK THE BAIT. YOU TOOK THE BAIT.

 

YOU SHEEP

 

He's gutting the constitution, privatizing institutions that help people, creating policies that will kill and impoverish millions of people, destroying jobs, etc.

The leopard will eat your face too. It's unfortunate that you won't see any of this until it does. But I guess that's how the cookie crumbles. ( SHRUG )

 

WAKE UP

 

4 hours ago, Hardkill said:

It's very sad that Trump and the GOP killed that bipartisan border security bill that Democrats tried to pass last year

That was strategic. They killed it because they knew he'd have nothing left to run on. That and woke-ness. @carterfelderstill would have taken the bait though.

[BlueOak]

Does everyone representing the right know how many bills the democrats have tried to pass on immigration?  A hell of a lot more than the republicans.

This is about perception and the need for labor.

• The perception that the right is strong on immigration and the perception of fear
• The right's worship of capitalism, which requires cheap labor.
• A fascist's need for an opponent.
• A minority of actual left-wing commentators who would advocate for lax border controls. The actual left is so small these days I don't know how anyone with a straight face can blame the actual left for anything practically. Except to try to engineer perception for their own viewpoints.

Edited Thursday at 06:44 AM by BlueOak

[Apparition of Jack]

1 hour ago, BlueOak said:

Does everyone representing the right know how many bills the democrats have tried to pass on immigration?  A hell of a lot more than the republicans.

This is about perception and the need for labor.

• The perception that the right is strong on immigration and the perception of fear
• The right's worship of capitalism, which requires cheap labor.
• A fascist's need for an opponent.
• A minority of actual left-wing commentators who would advocate for lax border controls. The actual left is so small these days I don't know how anyone with a straight face can blame the actual left for anything practically. Except to try to engineer perception for their own viewpoints.

No no don’t you get it? A handful of tattooed protestors this past week have held far more systemic economic, cultural, financial and political power over the nation than the entire federal GOP apparatus has for the past 30+ years.
 

Won’t SOMEBODY spare those poor, fragile Republicans from doing their job??

Edited Thursday at 08:09 AM by Apparition of Jack

[Apparition of Jack]

[Rafael Thundercat]

Remember when Palpatine manufactured a fake crisis to justify a massive military build up and emergency powers for himself? 

But then the whole crisis wasn’t even real and when it “ended” he refused to step down?Anyway science fiction is crazyyyyy

[PurpleTree]

7 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Remember when Palpatine manufactured a fake crisis to justify a massive military build up and emergency powers for himself? 

But then the whole crisis wasn’t even real and when it “ended” he refused to step down?Anyway science fiction is crazyyyyy

They probably took that from Adolf

Gpt:

The Reichstag Fire is one of the most infamous political events in 20th-century history, often associated with Nazi manipulation and the consolidation of Adolf Hitler’s power in Germany.

 

🔥 What Was the Reichstag Fire?

 

 

Date: February 27, 1933

Location: Reichstag building (German parliament) in Berlin

What happened: The building was set ablaze late at night. The fire caused significant damage, particularly to the assembly chamber.

🧍‍♂️ Who Was Blamed?

 

 

Marinus van der Lubbe, a 24-year-old Dutch communist, was arrested at the scene.

He claimed he acted alone to protest against capitalism and the decline of workers’ rights.

 

❗ Nazi Response

Hitler, newly appointed Chancellor of Germany, seized on the event to stoke fear of a communist uprising.

He persuaded President Paul von Hindenburg to sign the Reichstag Fire Decree the next day.

 

🏛️ Reichstag Fire Decree (Feb 28, 1933)

 

 

This emergency decree:

 

Suspended civil liberties, including freedom of speech, press, assembly, and privacy.

Allowed for warrantless arrests and detention without trial.

Targeted Communists, Socialists, and other political opponents.

Paved the way for the Nazis to crush opposition and consolidate power before the March 1933 elections.

 

🕵️ Was It a False Flag?

 

Theory 1: 

Lone Arsonist (Official Nazi Position)

 

Nazis claimed van der Lubbe acted on behalf of the Communist Party, using it as justification for a crackdown

 

Theory 2: 

False Flag by the Nazis

 

 

Many historians believe the Nazis orchestrated or at least exploited the fire to engineer a crisis.

SA (Sturmabteilung) or SS (Schutzstaffel) operatives may have helped start the fire or knew in advance.

The Nazis had a strong motive: it allowed them to eliminate civil liberties, jail opponents, and expand their power under the guise of national emergency.

 

 

 

 

 

💡 Historical Consensus Today

 

 

Most historians today agree that van der Lubbe probably did start the fire, but:

He may not have acted alone.

The Nazis almost certainly used the event cynically to justify authoritarian rule.

Whether they set it themselves or opportunistically exploited it remains debated.

 

⚠️ Impact

 

 

The fire marked the beginning of the Nazi dictatorship.

Within weeks, the Enabling Act was passed (March 1933), giving Hitler full legislative power and effectively ending democracy in Germany.