LA Protests

[Twentyfirst]

46 minutes ago, kray said:

I think what we are going through right now is a cold civil war, war of ideas, influence and digital exposure. Just how the republican media machine makes use of its optics, the democratic media machine has to do the same. This includes the protests as well. Not the best optics if you are burning the streets, throwing up gang signs and raising the Mexican flag. We need to boost social capital on our side, and show the average joe that we are all Americans fighting for our rights to live peacefully and not in fear of trump’s selfish motives.

I don't think it's a civil war but I do think Larry Fink bought America. Trump is irrelevant 

[Jodistrict]

Governor Newsom addresses Californians in response to Trump's assault on democracy.

https://x.com/i/status/1932623399874080822

Newsom on the rise.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/06/10/how-trump-is-elevating-newsom-00398546

[Leo Gura]

Great speech!

[Mada_]

People who hide behind the strawman of "but it's illegal immigration" have never tried filling out an American immigration document 

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, Mada_ said:

People who hide behind the strawman of "but it's illegal immigration" have never tried filling out an American immigration document 

You are doing the strawman.

10+ million illegals. Yet leftists act like it's not a problem and needs no solution, just more of the same.

Right-wingers are correct on illegal immigration. It needs to stop.

Leftists are in denial on this issue. Which is why Trump now gets to use so much force. The left has made this an issue when it shouldn't be. No one should be for illegal immigration. That position fuels fascism and nationalism.

This is how leftism fails.

No one has a right to illegally cross the southern border and live in the US scot-free. This is a liberal fantasy.

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[samijiben]

That is crazy...

How do leftists rationalize to themselves that illegal immigration is okay?

With the same logic that Right wingers emply to deceive themselves

The very mechanism THAT IS BAKED INTO YOUR stupid mind, the one that cannot get out of the limited frame of reference that obscures the "TOTALCONSCIOUSNESSMODE" OF LIVING LIFE TO ITS ABSOLUTE FULLEST

[Mada_]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You are doing the strawman.

10+ million illegals. Yet leftists act like it's not a problem and needs no solution, just more of the same.

Right-wingers are correct on illegal immigration. It needs to stop.

Leftists are in denial on this issue. Which is why Trump now gets to use so much force. The left has made this an issue when it shouldn't be. No one should be for illegal immigration.

Fair, I'll fully consider your perspective. I guess I'm not from the US so I don't really see how high rates of illegal immigration effects your society, in Australia there are definitely issues but there is also a lot of needless racism towards vulnerable people. I'm not denying the crime rates of people from underdeveloped nations and examples like Germany where there are increases in sexual violence and public drug use, but the Trump administration seems to go overboard e.g. revoking VISAs of university researchers.   

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Mada_ said:

the Trump administration seems to go overboard e.g. revoking VISAs of university researchers.   

That is certainly wrong. But doesn't address the issue as a whole.

[Raze]

The neoliberal establishment democrats loved the messaging during trump 2016 that he was racist for his anti immigrant speals because it allowed them to attack him without having to do so over corruption which their donors also benefit from. Infant many of their donors probably liked illegal immigration for cheap labor.

But as per usual their strategy backfired when democrats didn’t stop trump from sanctioning Latin American countries and Biden continued it which caused a flood of illegal immigrants and made the public think democrats were supportive of open borders due to all their past bashing of trump over the border stuff.

Now immigration has become one of trumps strongest issues despite how extreme he’s become.

[aurum]

We need a Newsom presidential run.

Good to see he's getting some positive coverage out of this.

[Raze]

5 minutes ago, aurum said:

We need a Newsom presidential run.

Good to see he's getting some positive coverage out of this.

 

[aurum]

30 minutes ago, Raze said:

 

Who would you rather see if not Newsom?

[Raze]

21 minutes ago, aurum said:

Who would you rather see if not Newsom?

Ideally I’d like an outsider. Democrat are deeply hated. It’s a tarnished brand.

[aurum]

16 minutes ago, Raze said:

Ideally I’d like an outsider. Democrat are deeply hated. It’s a tarnished brand.

Outside as in not a democrat?

That's not going to happen. 

The most any outsider has a shot is AOC. But I doubt she will even get a nomination. 

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[Raze]

10 minutes ago, aurum said:

Outside as in not a democrat?

That's not going to happen. 

The most any outsider has a shot is AOC. But I doubt she will even get a nomination. 

Outsider as in someone lesser known not associated with their current brands of politics. 

I think AOC could get the nomination, she’s really popular with the base now and the base is massively fed up with establishment dems. Dem voters have lower approval for the current democrat party then the republicans had for the republicans party when they elected trump.

Will she be the best to win a general, or does she even want to run for President, I don’t know.

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[Leo Gura]

Jon Stewert

[BlueOak]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Protesting is important. Keeping Trump accountable is important. It just has to be done intelligently and carefully.

Burning Waymo cars for illegal immigrants is not that. This is leftists behaving like lunatics.

When family is illegally taken from you, while going through the due process of the state, and you are being targeted because of your skin color, why is it you don’t think an expression of anger is entirely logical?

You want this to be bottled up and then taken out on a cop?

I agree it'd be nice if we all lived in a world where emotions could be consciously channeled, but we draw a lot of this emotional strength and stability from our community, and if that community is actively being targetted, splintered and attacked, then this is the result. - *We do this even if we don't consciously realise it, its the energy we are in, its all the shared day-to-day experiences, the tone, the support, the service, the institutions, all the smaller groups in the background, and the overall experience we have of life.

It's like you are looking at one of your hands being beaten black and blue and then wondering why its doing what it can to defend itself.

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[Leo Gura]

13 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

and if that community is actively being targetted, splintered and attacked

Is this a community of illegals?

What community are you talking about?

Many legal hispanics voted for Trump.

[BlueOak]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Is this a community of illegals?

What community are you talking about?

Many legal hispanics voted for Trump.

Many of those getting arrested are going through the official channels. This is why the law is being weaponised against the people.

The community in this context refers to those with whom you are directly in contact on a day-to-day basis, or those with whom you associate sufficiently to draw on some of the things I described. Directly or indirectly benefitting from them. Most of the social programs, individual groups and institutions people are not even aware they benefit from until they are no longer in place, but all of them contribute to people's quality of life, experience and the stability or resulting lack of. A lack of stability results in things like the corruption or criminality of your country.

Also:
https://thehill.com/immigration/5339542-latinas-for-trump-co-founder-blasts-mass-deportations/

The co-founder of Latina's for trump quote:

“This is not what we voted for,” Garcia wrote in a post on the social platform X. “I have always supported Trump, @realDonaldTrump, through thick and thin. However, this is unacceptable and inhumane.”

“I understand the importance of deporting criminal aliens, but what we are witnessing are arbitrary measures to hunt down people who are complying with their immigration hearings—in many cases, with credible fear of persecution claims—all driven by a Miller-like desire to satisfy a self-fabricated deportation goal,” she continued in her post, referring to White House homeland security adviser and deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller.

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[Hardkill]

2 hours ago, Raze said:

Outsider as in someone lesser known not associated with their current brands of politics. 

I think AOC could get the nomination, she’s really popular with the base now and the base is massively fed up with establishment dems. Dem voters have lower approval for the current democrat party then the republicans had for the republicans party when they elected trump.

Will she be the best to win a general, or does she even want to run for President, I don’t know.

You're not wrong about how damaged both the Democratic brand and the reputation of establishment Democrats. I honestly am still not sure if Newsom would be the best Democratic candidate for president. 

AOC right now is arguably the most electrifying Democrat in the country and currently has the strongest and clearest messaging compared to virtually every other Democrat in the country. That being said, I no longer see a woman of color ever becoming president for the foreseeable future. How is AOC going to be able to allay the fears of the majority of Americans that she doesn't believe in Cuban style Socialism/Communism when she's far leftist who already calls herself a Socialist?

Moreover, it's still too hard for women and colored people even in modern America to aggressively push for economic populism on a nationwide scale. If a woman president came off as "too aggressive," even for the right reasons, she would likely face a double standard that male leaders are rarely held to. Voters, media, and opponents might say she’s: “Cold,” “harsh,” “shrill,” “Overly ambitious,” “trying too hard to prove herself," “too emotional,” or “unstable.”

If a woman of color became president and was perceived as “too aggressive,” the backlash would likely be even more intense and layered than it would be for a white woman — due to the intersection of racial and gender stereotypes.

We need an alpha male who's white, has traditional social values, but is a true economic class warrior like TR or FDR.