Why Women Prefer Betas

[Jannes]

1 minute ago, Schizophonia said:

He is turbo delusional.

Have you seen Fifty Shades of Grey ? This matches exactly what he is describing. 

I doubt many women believe it, maybe they consume it like entertainment but this made up fantasy is a thing. 

[Schizophonia]

1 minute ago, Jannes said:

Have you seen Fifty Shades of Grey ? This matches exactly what he is describing. 

I doubt many women believe it, maybe they consume it like entertainment but this made up fantasy is a thing. 

Yea it's a fantasy, a kind of pornographic film for women, except that there's only one book and maybe a few similar books for millions of pornographic videos, which concentrates the sales.
I've known plenty of very pretty, kind, etc girls who are desperate and even think about guys who aren't great.

The guy wants to see what suits him, and directly arrange his life to be able to project his childhood fears, it's always the same story.

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, Emerald said:

Women respond the most to who they have chemistry with.

This is like saying the dick responds most to who it has chemistry with.

[BlessedLion]

On 6/7/2025 at 8:03 PM, Emerald said:

I was having a conversation earlier this week with someone about how the types of men that straight men believe are attractive differ from the types of men that women find attractive.

Healthy Gamer just made a video about it...

 

Pretty fascinating video. 
 

I think it makes sense when he emphasizes the caveat of “long term vs short term” 

 

Long term, of course she wants a “beta” (I don’t like that word, but maybe more like settled down/lower testosterone/less firey) kind of guy, he is easier to hold down! Hes more domesticated, docile, easy to be around, and wont out grow or out smart her- almost neutered in a certain sense. 
 

A more short term guy will be someone who excites her, pushes her edge, makes her feel sexually stimulated and a bit dangerous. This will likely be the better sex. But of course, this man is wild, he is untamable, he has 10 other women as options, he is also a threat in a certain sense as he might outgrow her or have more ambition that she can’t keep up with. 
 

I sometimes wonder if women are actually threatened by certain types of ambitious men and date down to feel safe and secure. One of the best pick up routines I’ve ever seen is to act dumb, women love it, if you show you’re intelligent, conscious, and spiritual, ironically many women run away. 

[BlessedLion]

3 hours ago, Emerald said:

That's the entire point I've been making.

Women respond the most to who they have chemistry with... which is usually with regular average guys that they encounter in their daily lives.

Honestly, if there isn't a significant amount of human-to-human chemistry, I wouldn't feel compelled towards anything sexual. And I think most women are the exact same way.

It's honestly an uncommon kind of woman who goes out there seeking some short term hook-ups with hyper-Masculine "alpha" guys. I guess they exist. But that's a pretty abstract notion to me in terms of understanding the sexual appeal of it, as sexual appeal is so fundamentally intertwined with deeper feelings of intimacy, for me.

And I find that men who have no softness to them are just about impossible to have chemistry with because a man needs to be a bit vulnerable for it to be possible to feel intimate with him. 

I don’t know about this- Wilt Chamberlin slept with 20,000 women (although he ended up saying “I’d rather sleep with my wife 1,000 times than 1,000 different women”) 

But he was a pretty standard masculine alpha type 

 

I do agree that I think the hyper masculine macho douche bags who spent half their lives in the gym are insecure and women don’t find them attractive, but we can’t just state that alpha guys don’t have sex. It depends on the women and their level of maturity, development and where there are in life. 
 

If you go to a club or boat party, those macho guys are usually sleeping with the younger “party” girls. But those girls grow up and realize those guys are unable to commit, unpredictable and pretty much doing their own thing- not a lot of compromise. 
 

So they find more safety in the working man who has conformed more, is settled down, and honestly is less ambitious and more “satisfied” in life 

[Twentyfirst]

Women ARE the betas 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

5 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

I sometimes wonder if women are actually threatened by certain types of ambitious men and date down to feel safe and secure. One of the best pick up routines I’ve ever seen is to act dumb, women love it, if you show you’re intelligent, conscious, and spiritual, ironically many women run away. 

Oh yeah I've seen this on action. Women with lack of ability to navigate and handle conflict they perceive arising from a confident, self assured masculine man. My sister says 'I prefer the soy boys' for dating and sex. 

Intentionally dating down. 

Safety is like top for women 

[BlessedLion]

8 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

if you show you’re intelligent, conscious, and spiritual, ironically many women run away

I’d like to clarify on this, if the women is secure, conscious and open minded this will make her interested- but if she sees it as a threat to her wisdom, intelligence etc then she will be turned off. 

[BlessedLion]

Just now, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Oh yeah I've seen this on action. Women with lack of ability to navigate and handle conflict they perceive arising from a confident, self assured masculine man. My sister says 'I prefer the soy boys' for dating and sex. 

Intentionally dating down. 

Safety is like top for women 

Point in case. Thank you 🙏 

 

I always suspected this but never had the wording for it. 
 

I always thought “Surely, most women will be attracted to discipline, consciousness and development” But it seems (in the main stream at least) that is a threat 

[Miguel1]

15 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

One of the best pick up routines I’ve ever seen is to act dumb, women love it, if you show you’re intelligent, conscious, and spiritual, ironically many women run away. 

It's like saying that when you make dumb mindless shit as content, people love it, and when you make intelligent, conscious, and spiritual content, ironically many people run away.

Of course.

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Long term, of course she wants a “beta” (I don’t like that word, but maybe more like settled down/lower testosterone/less firey) kind of guy, he is easier to hold down! Hes more domesticated, docile, easy to be around, and wont out grow or out smart her- almost neutered in a certain sense. 
 

A more short term guy will be someone who excites her, pushes her edge, makes her feel sexually stimulated and a bit dangerous. This will likely be the better sex. But of course, this man is wild, he is untamable, he has 10 other women as options, he is also a threat in a certain sense as he might outgrow her or have more ambition that she can’t keep up with.

I sometimes wonder if women are actually threatened by certain types of ambitious men and date down to feel safe and secure.

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So they find more safety in the working man who has conformed more, is settled down, and honestly is less ambitious and more “satisfied” in life 

What if the man is very ambitious and accomplishes a lot, and is extremely attractive - but actually prefers to have a monogamous partner, over spinning 10 girls?

Aka, the combination of the two?

Edited June 11 by Miguel1

[Schizophonia]

9 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

Pretty fascinating video. 
 

I think it makes sense when he emphasizes the caveat of “long term vs short term” 

 

Long term, of course she wants a “beta” (I don’t like that word, but maybe more like settled down/lower testosterone/less firey) kind of guy, he is easier to hold down! Hes more domesticated, docile, easy to be around, and wont out grow or out smart her- almost neutered in a certain sense. 

 

A more short term guy will be someone who excites her, pushes her edge, makes her feel sexually stimulated and a bit dangerous. This will likely be the better sex. But of course, this man is wild, he is untamable, he has 10 other women as options, he is also a threat in a certain sense as he might outgrow her or have more ambition that she can’t keep up with. 
 

I sometimes wonder if women are actually threatened by certain types of ambitious men and date down to feel safe and secure. One of the best pick up routines I’ve ever seen is to act dumb, women love it, if you show you’re intelligent, conscious, and spiritual, ironically many women run away. 

I've also heard "an intelligent woman is boring" many times.

Also if a girl can't have the best sex possible with you because of your "quality" then it's crap and it's better

[Miguel1]

5 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

I’d like to clarify on this, if the women is secure, conscious and open minded this will make her interested- but if she sees it as a threat to her wisdom, intelligence etc then she will be turned off. 

Ah! There we go!

[Schizophonia]

1 minute ago, Miguel1 said:

 

What if the man is very ambitious and accomplishes a lot, and is extremely attractive - but actually prefers to have a monogamous partner, over spinning 10 girls?

Aka, the combination of the two?

I've been openly flirted with by several very pretty and nice girls, and I've refused them all, even though I'm still a virgin.

I don't see the point of sleeping around; it seems like a delusion driven by twisted people who own the media, film production companies, etc.

[BlessedLion]

15 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

It's like saying that when you make dumb mindless shit as content, people love it, and when you make intelligent, conscious, and spiritual content, ironically many people run away.

Of course.

Definitely bro. Just the world we live in today. Exact reason guys like Ken Wilber, Ralston and Igor are barely noticed yet Vitaly has 10M subs. 
 

Regarding what you said on an ambitious man being ready for monogamy. That guy usually has a ton of options IF he’s developed himself and can handle compromise and relationship dynamics. A lot of ambitious men are used to things being done “their way” that it can be a tough transition, it’s like merging companies. 
 

But if that man is ready, he has almost endless options with quality women. 
 

For the record - Men do the same thing as women with being intimidated by her status, income and intelligence. Most men don’t want a partner earning more than them , higher education or in a situation where they aren’t leading as it feels immasculating. It goes both ways. Hence why so many successful women complain about being single 

[Emerald]

3 hours ago, aurum said:

It's a legitimate question though. I don't sense you are open on this topic.

Everything you outlined is your survival strategy.

You can share your perspective with me if you'd like.

But if not, that's okay too.

[Miguel1]

34 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

I've been openly flirted with by several very pretty and nice girls, and I've refused them all, even though I'm still a virgin.

I don't see the point of sleeping around; it seems like a delusion driven by twisted people who own the media, film production companies, etc.

Becareful of deluding yourself. Lots of girls are flirty in nature, doesn't mean that they will sleep with you after finding out who you truly are deep down.

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

This is like saying the dick responds most to who it has chemistry with.

Eroticism is more heart-centered than it is genitalia-centered.

And women are more motivated by eroticism than they are towards fucking.

[Miguel1]

1 minute ago, Emerald said:

Eroticism is more heart-centered than it is genitalia-centered.

And women are more motivated by eroticism than they are towards fucking.

Yes, with a guy she finds attractive.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

42 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

Point in case. Thank you 🙏 

 

I always suspected this but never had the wording for it. 
 

I always thought “Surely, most women will be attracted to discipline, consciousness and development” But it seems (in the main stream at least) that is a threat 

It's a very fine line for men. 

On the one hand, the key to the women is making her feel safe. Which would be the energy you need to project toward her. 

But she will also need to see a display of strength - that is to say - you are NOT safe... 

To others. 

But she remains safe with you 🧩 protecc 

There's a lot of confusion around this. Lots of men think they need to be assholes to attract women. It's not about that, it's about safety and strength.

[Emerald]

55 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

Pretty fascinating video. 

I think it makes sense when he emphasizes the caveat of “long term vs short term” 

Long term, of course she wants a “beta” (I don’t like that word, but maybe more like settled down/lower testosterone/less firey) kind of guy, he is easier to hold down! Hes more domesticated, docile, easy to be around, and wont out grow or out smart her- almost neutered in a certain sense. 
 

A more short term guy will be someone who excites her, pushes her edge, makes her feel sexually stimulated and a bit dangerous. This will likely be the better sex. But of course, this man is wild, he is untamable, he has 10 other women as options, he is also a threat in a certain sense as he might outgrow her or have more ambition that she can’t keep up with. 
 

I sometimes wonder if women are actually threatened by certain types of ambitious men and date down to feel safe and secure. One of the best pick up routines I’ve ever seen is to act dumb, women love it, if you show you’re intelligent, conscious, and spiritual, ironically many women run away. 

Again, women are not "settling" of the "betas". They prefer them. That's what's difficult for average men to realize.

Average men can't fathom of what's attractive about themselves. That's why they feel like they have to become someone else for women to prefer them. And that's why all these guys are running away from themselves at 100 miles per hour.

And intelligence doesn't tend to be an "alpha" trait that women seek out for short term partnership, in my view.

I tend to be most attracted to very intelligent introverted guys who are more mature and down to Earth who have psychological and spiritual interests... and who have a mixture of hard and soft qualities.

And I also need him to be a little bit strange to keep in interesting.

To me, that is the sexiest kind of guy.... no settling involved. They're my PREFERENCE. 

And for me personally (and I'd imagine most women), I'm not motivated by short term sexual encounters. 

They're pretty boring because of the lack of emotional stimulation.

 Women get the most emotional stimulation through intimacy and deeper levels of eroticism.

And those types of "alpha" guys are just about impossible to have a real deep connection with. And you can't surrender to them, so you can't really feel those deeper subtle erotic feelings in their presence.